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AGENDA REPORT
City Manager Approval
Item to be presented by:
PUBLIC HEARING Mark Scott
DATE: March 27, 1990
SUBJECT: G.H. Palmer Development Agreement and Related Public Hearings
DEPARTMENT: Community Development
BACKGROUND
On March 27, 1990, the City Council will begin the public testimony portions of
its public hearings.on the Development Agreement and.related G.H. Palmer
Associates projects.
Technically, the City Council will need to conduct four separate hearings and to
take separate actions on each. Staff recommends that the public hearings be
held in the following order:
.1. Vista Terrace - Public hearing on an appeal of the Planning Commission
approval of Vesting Tentative Tract Map No. 45022, Conditional Use Permit
�No�87-017 and Oak Tree Permit No. 87-017;
2: Santa Catarina - Consolidated public hearing on an appeal of the Planning
Commission's approval of Tentative Tract Map No. 31236, Rezone'No. 897006,
and Conditional Use Permit No. 89-015;
3. The Colony - Consolidated public hearing on an appeal of the Planning
Commission's denial of Tentative Tract Map No. 45023, Prezone No. 90-002,
Conditional Use Permit No. 90-002, and Annexation No. 90-002; and
4. Development Agreement - Public hearing.
At the end of each public hearing, the City Council may take action ranging from
approval, modification, denial, continuance, etc. The range of options is too
wide to list here. It should be understood that approval of the Development
Agreement,.or.of.any.,..rezones.or prezones, would require adoption by ordinance -
which requires first reading at one meeting and actual adoption at a subsequent
meeting. Other actions (denials, actions on tentative tract maps, conditional
use permits, oak tree.permits, etc.) would be taken by resolution and require a
single action to approve.
At the last City Council meeting, staff made an overview presentation on each
project. Staff will provide only a very brief introduction to projects on March
27. There were, however, a number of follow-up questions addressed to staff at
the last meeting. The remainder of this report is devoted to a number of such
.follow-upsissues that require some clo s re,,/
5/// Agenda Item:
Vista Terrace
As indicated previously, the Vista Terrace project.was very well-received by the
Planning Commission. The applicant had made numerous project modifications and
satisfied all Commission concerns from a previous review. The project was
adopted by the Planning Commission conditioned upon approval of the Development
Agreement.
The appeal of this project was filed by the group of developers, including G.H.
Palmer Associates, who seek to do joint financing and construction of the Golden
Valley Road improvements. Their contention is that the,project should not be
tied to the Development Agreement, and that the condition threatens to delay or
jeopardize their joint project.
It has been suggested to staff that removal of the condition on the Vista
Terrace project could assist G.H. Palmer Associates to get loan extensions on
the Westcreek project which would, in turn, assist the City. If the City
Council receives such testimony and is satisfied that this benefit could be
attained, staff would endorse removal of the condition. This action would
effectively remove Vista Terrace from the Development Agreement package, but
would nonetheless' secure the road improvements associated with the project.
Since the last meeting, staff has received a letter from Dr. Donald R. Gaskin,
President of the Princess Park Homeowners Association expressing his displeasure
that the association was not advised of the Planning Commission public hearing.
Staff has responded with an apology for that oversight. As a new city, staff
does not yet have as complete a list of associations as it will. The City did
notify members of the association within the notification zone and got no
negative responses. However, the association itself was not contacted. Staff
has advised Dr. Gaskin of the appeal hearing and invited his comments prior to
or during the public hearing.
Santa Catarina
Staff continues to feel that the Santa Catarina project, as now designed, will
be a positive development for the community. At the same time, staff is still
receiving complaints from residents concerning this project and what they
consider to be unanswered questions. The lists of questions are extremely long
and there is no single document that answers them all in one simple reading.
-Most of the questions have been answered repeatedly either in addenda to the
EIR, in staff's written reports or at'public hearings. In the interest of
efficiency, staff suggests that as many questions as possible be addressed for
the City Council at the public hearing. Any questions not answered to the City
Council's satisfaction can be placed on a master list, and staff could then
respond on a comprehensive basis. Staff feels that residents' questions deserve
answers, and it is felt that this approach will be superior to answering each
resident individually as staff has been doing for weeks.
Regarding traffic issues, Ed Cline has.provided a summary of the various traffic
reports „filed, on,.all..of.._the..Palmer projects. Mr. ,Cline's report is attached for
the City Council's information and review.
As the City Council is aware, there is a compromise project design being jointly
proposed by G.H. Palmer Associates and some residents from Label Avenue. The
proposal is that the Santa Catarina project be reduced.by 160 units. The
changes can be summarized as follows:
Planning Commission Approved Revised Proposal
No. of SFR units 0 140
No: of MFR units 1452 1152
Total 1452 1292
Effectively, this.provides detached single-family homes on,those parcels nearest
Label Avenue (i.e. down the slope below Label Avenue). In certain respects,
this will result in a less sensitive transition from single-family to
multiple -family homes because it takes less advantage of the topographical
separation. However, it does protect existing residences, and those who buy
these new single-family homes will do so with full knowledge of the situation.
On this basis, staff supports the change and will work with the applicant on how
the transition is treated from a design standpoint.
In return for this lower density, Mr. Palmer is asking for the following changes
in the Development Agreement:
1. Eliminate the $3 million contribution to the Rio Vista Bridge.
2. Eliminate the pedestrian bridge over Golden Valley Road.
3. Terminate the Golden Valley Road construction short of the applicant's
northern property.line, thereby avoiding considerable grading cost.
Staff supports eliminating the bridge contribution but does not support the
other two changes.
Again, staff is aware of ongoing concerns among nearby residents to Santa
Catarina. Staff feels that all significant issues have been properly addressed,
but will be happy to continue this dialogue to the City Council's satisfaction.
The Colony
The Planning Commission's denial of The Colony project related primarily to
three issues:
1. Concern that there MU be an abundance of multi -family residential units in
the Canyon Country area.
2. Feelings that The Colony's site might be better designated for Business Park
use.
3. Concern that the proposed residential units are not adequately buffered or
protected from the railroad tracks.
Please note that the Commission expressed uncertainty as to the best land use
for The Colony site. The Commission did not feel it had adequate information to
resolve these issues within the time available, but left the door open to the
possibility that the project might ultimately be found compatible. Staff
concurred in this assessment and is still working toward a broader scale land
use assessment for the area from which more firm recommendations can be
developed. Staff would hope to have more complete analysis very shortly.
The issue of The Colony site and surrounding properties was discussed with the
GPAC during its March 10 land use workshop. The GPAC made the following
findings concerning the site:
* The east side of the City needs more jobs and therefore GPAC must identify
business park, commercial and industrial properties. The Colony site is one
option. The GPAC did not specifically judge the site for residential
potential.
* The land southerly and southeasterly of The Colony site is part of the
Canyon Park and Provence Specific Plan (American Beauty Homes) which has
been adopted by the.County. The vast majority of the land is designated for
multiple -family use. This limits the land available for non-residential
uses.
* The property immediately east of The Colony site is being looked upon by its
ownership as a potential Business Park site.
* The freeway, railroad and river locations tend to support non-residential
use (although rail spurs in and of themselves apparently have little value).
* On the other hand, the potential freeway access to The Colony site (and
parcels.to the east) is limited to a half interchange. Ramping is possible
only for traffic to/from the south. Access to/from the north would likely
use Sand Canyon Road/Lost Canyon Road. This circumstance makes the.site
very poor for commercial uses. Business Park use might be acceptable if the
City is willing (a) to accept more traffic on Sand Canyon Road and (b) to
accept access which passes the schools on Lost Canyon Road.
Given these points of fact, the GPAC very briefly considered alternate Business
-Park locations primarily looking north of the Sand Canyon exit, but did not
satisfy itself that a logical site existed. Therefore, the GPAC voted to
-maintain the Business Park designation on The Colony site for the present. (The
question was asked if The Colony site could be shown as multiple -family
residential (46 acres) while the remaining 110 acres to the east might be
designated for Business Park use. The GPAC preferred not to reduce the Business
Park acreage below the 150 acre level.]
Again, staff is continuing to study the land use issue and will report further
to the City Council as soon as possible.
In regard to the railroad situation, staff believes that solutions are very
possible_. The, EIR....sugges,ted.a.number.. of .,mitigation measuresthat the, applicant
has not yet included. If these suggestions (mostly through use of berms) can be
added, staff's concerns can likely be eliminated.
Development Agreement
If the individual project issues can be satisfactorily resolved, as staff hopes,
then the City Council will need to focus on the Development Agreement itself.
.The body of the document.tends to be rather standard in form and wording. The
attachments to the document. (particularly Attachments C, E, and F) include the
most complicated issues which the City Council needs to address. Staff has
worked extensively on these sections and believes that the City is appropriately
protected. Staff feels strongly that this is a responsible approach to
resolving the critical issues relating to roads. There are a limited number of
options available to the City to solve its infrastructure deficit and -as the
City develops, the options narrow. Therefore, staff urges that every effort be
made to reach satisfactory agreement on the Development Agreement concept.
Several'of the questions addressed to staff by the City Council on March 13
relate to the overall Development Agreement, rather than being individually
project -specific. These questions included:
1. How does the approval of the various Palmer projects affect the City
vis-a-vis the County General Plan amendments which call for roughly 10,000
additional units with an assumption of 25Z to the City?
2. Per County plan, if the Santa Clarita Valley can ultimately handle a total
of 93,000 units by 2010 (with approximately 50,000 units in place today), do
the Palmer projects meet City objectives for what will be a finite number of
units allowable?
3. How do the Palmer projects (and the ultimate Santa Clarita Valley build -out)
affect various development capacity constraints, such as AQMP, water, sewer
and other systems?
These three questions are very much related and apply to all development which
will occur into the future. These issues are the subject of research currently
in final review by the General Plan consultants. Several points should be
understood:
* There has been a general planning assumption that the Santa Clarita Valley
can absorb a population of roughly 270,000 by 2010 if various infrastructure
systems can be expanded on the same pace. This equates to roughly 93,000
housing units --of which roughly 50,000 already exist. This leaves
approximately 43,000 units to be built over the next 20 years, or 2,150
units per year. The three Palmer projects would total 2,200 additional
.units to be built on a 5-10 year horizon.
* The County's current General Plan land use map does not yet represent a
270,000 population build -out. The newly recommended County General Plan
amendments would "intensify" land uses such that 10,000 additional units
would be accommodated.
* The County's projection that only 25X of the 10,000 extra units will develop
in the City is nothing but an assumption on their part. It does not, in any
respect, affect the City's options, except that it reflects the County's
intent;.to..continue.,allowing• urban -type residential development in non -urban,.
non -infill areas.
Similarly, the Palmer projects are not affected by the County plan
.assumptions., ..The -.only "impact", is. -that- within the--broader.context of a
43,000 -unit limit Valleywide, the Palmer projects represent 2,200 of the
theoretical 43,000 -unit capacity.
* The issue, then, is whether the various Palmer projects meet City objectives
given this finite number of future housing units. There are two
perspectives that must be considered:
a) The City would ideally wish to match the number and types of housing
units with the anticipated demand and demographic needs. Those issues
are being addressed.
b) The City has an equally significant responsibility to match its capital
needs for infrastructure with its capacity to pay for such improvements,
relying largely upon exactions on the limited number of future units.
Simply for example, if the City has a limit of 25,000 new units inside
the City over the next twenty years, and if the City's road needs were
$300 million over that period, then it would take a staggering $12,000
per unit just for road improvements. (The above numbers may be far
removed from actual, but they do fall within the range of possibility on
both counts.) All of this may argue that the City benefits by
maximizing its exactions on new projects that are approved. It also
argues for infill development which tends to be higher density and less
expensive from an infrastructure standpoint. (And it argues for
expanding revenue enhancement opportunities from other sources as well.).
In short, arguments can be made in support of the Development Agreement
concept as it' relates to the ultimate 2010 build -out assumptions for the
Santa Clarita Valley and the necessary infrastructure improvement costs.
* In regard to water, sewer, air and other capacity issues, the Palmer
projects would represent a small part of the larger Valleywide issue.
Regardless of how the 2010 population is reached, these capacity issues must
be satisfactorily resolved. Both the water and wastewater utility providers
have reported that they can expand to meet the 2010 horizon. Staff has not
felt compelled to challenge these statements on the basis of the Palmer
projects alone. These broader issues are, of course, critical to the
General Plan and the utility companies will continue to be consulted.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Staff is recommending approval of the Vista Terrace and Santa Catarina projects
if the City Council's questions and concerns can be positively resolved. Staff
is continuing to study the issues associated with The Colony and will report
-•further as soon as its evaluation is complete.
ATTACHMENTS
Summary of Traffic Reports
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CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
TO: Mark Scott
Director of Comm ity Development
FROM: John Medina
Director of P W rks
DATE: March 23, 199
SUBJECT: PALMER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT
As requested, we have analyzed the various traffic engineering reports
for the three residential development projects which form the basis for
the Palmer Development Agreement. In total, there were fifteen reports,
supplements and addendums prepared before we believed sufficient data and
information was provided to thoroughly analyze the potential impacts and
advantages of the projects and the roadway agreement.
We are now completely satisfied that a clear path of mitigation measures
have been identified for each project. While the combined projects are
expected to generate approximately 19,300 one-way vehicle trips per day,
the mitigation and additional roadways identified in the reports and
specified in the agreement provide over 100,000 vehicle per day roadway
capacity.
These mitigation measures and additional roadways not only satisfy the
needs of the projects related traffic, they offer much needed relief for
existing traffic in the City. The Lost Canyon Road connection between
Jake's Way and Via Princessa, for instance, lessens the community's
reliance on Sierra Highway for access to an from the 14 freeway. The
Newhall Ranch Road connection offers an alternative to Soledad Canyon
Road and Bouquet Canyon Road as an east/west arterial. We are reminded
of the dramatic improvement to traffic flow in the Bouquet Canyon/Seco
Canyon area by the addition of Decoro Drive to the roadway network.
Another significant issue which needs to be examined carefully with
respect to the roadway agreement is the backbone of major arterial
highways which is being formed with significant portions of Golden Valley
Road being provided, we would have the ability to connect the upper
regions of Whites Canyon to Highway 14 without reliance on Whites Canyon
and Via Princessa. With Newhall Ranch Road being extended for over four
miles along the Santa Clara River, we will have taken a major step toward
realization of Route 126 across the Valley. With Lost Canyon Road, we
are beginning to develop a parallel surface route to Highway 14 besides
Sierra Highway.
Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement
March 233, 1990
Page 2
All in all, the roadway agreement offers the Santa Clarita Valley what
may be the opportunity of the decade to form the basis for the backbone
roadway system that can restore some semblance of order to traffic flow
in the area. The agreement also establishes the architecture and
precedence for future roadway agreements in the region.
For the various reasons stated, the Public Works Department strongly
supports the Palmer Development Agreement and recommends approval of each
of the development projects as well as the roadway improvement agreement.
Attached for your information is a summary of the various traffic studies
prepared for these projects.
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
DATE: March 21, 1990
TO: Mark Scott, Director of Community Devel pment
VIA: John Medina, Director of Public Works
FROM: Ed Cline, Traffic Engineer \
SUBJECT: GH PALMER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND RELATED PROJECTS -
TRAFFIC IMPACTS
We have reviewed the various traffic impact reports prepared for the
three residential developments being proposed by G.H. Palmer and
Associates which forms the basis for the pending Development Agreement.
Each of the reports for each of the projects have several supplements and
addendums. For ease of handling, we will summarize each project and
present its traffic generation forecasts, identifiable impacts and any
recommended mitigation measures. In the case of Vista Terrace and The
Colony, each study considered the other in accordance with their
respective anticipated completion period. We'll start with the smallest
project, Vista Terrace and work through to the largest, Santa Catarina.
Vista Terrace Project
Number of Units
Actual
Forecasted Traffic
Generation
AM Peak Hour
PM Peak Hour
Study reported - 133
103
1035/day
82/hr
109/hr
Anticipated Impacts - Significant impacts are expected along Sierra
Highway at the various intersections in the
vicinity. These impacts are primarily the
result of other cumulative projects considered
in the report. The subject project adds one or
two percentage points to the volume/capacity
ratios at each location.
Recommended Mitigation - Restriping Sierra Highway to three lanes in each
direction through these intersections is
expected to mitigate these impacts back to an
acceptable level at each location.
Table #5 of the latest report, copy attached,
outlines the mitigated volume/capacity ratios
and service levels at these intersections.
Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement/
Traffic Impacts
March 22, 1990
Page 2
In addition to these mitigation measures, the
project should be conditioned to provide four
lanes of traffic on Golden Valley Road, either
through actual construction or cooperative
agreement with other builders from Sierra
Highway to Highway 14. A traffic signal is also
needed at Sierra Highway and Golden Valley Road.
The Colony Prolect
Number of Units 800
Forecasted Traffic
Generation 6400/day
AM Peak Hour 515/hour
PM Peak Hour 640/hour
Anticipated Impacts Significant impacts can be expected to various
intersections along Sierra Highway with traffic
from this project as well as other cumulative
projects considered as part of the report. The
subject project adds from one to 25 percentage
points to the volume/capacity ratios at the
various locations 'impacted.
Recommended Mitigation In addition to the third lane striping
recommended along Sierra Highway in conjunction
with the Vista Terrace project, the following
mitigation measures are recommended:
Improve the intersection of Sierra Highway and
Highway 14 to include a traffic signal and an
additional westbound (off -ramp) right turn
lane. This work is being planned by the Los
Angeles County Public Works Department to be
included in the Whites Canyon/Via Princessa
extension. It should be completed by the
occupancy of The Colony project.
Restripe Jake's Way approaching Sierra Highway
from the east to accommodate a double left turn
in addition to a dedicated right turn lane.
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Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement/
Traffic Impacts
March 22, 1990
Page 3
Widen and restripe Sierra Highway at Soledad
Canyon Road to accommodate a third southbound
through lane. Restripe the northbound lanes to
convert the optional third left turn lane to an
exclusive through lane. A signal modification
will be needed to accomplish this proposed
geometry.
Provide a circulation system abutting and
adjacent to the project that will consist of
Jakes Way from Sierra Highway to Lost Canyon
Road, Lost Canyon Road from Jakes Way to Via
Princessa and Via Princessa from Lost Canyon
Road to Highway 14.
These measures will improve the volume/capacity
ratios and service levels at all potentially
impacted intersections to an acceptable level.
These values are shown on Table #7 from the
February 15, 1990 addendum and Table #7-A from
the latest revision to the report.
This circulation system will offer traffic from the project an
opportunity to access the Highway 14 Freeway without the use of Sierra
Highway. This expanded highway network can and would be used by
residents of other nearby developments, thus actually reducing the
dependency on Sierra Highway and reducing the overall traffic flow on
Sierra Highway.
The developer has also agreed to construct a one-half diamond interchange
on Highway 14 at Jakes Way. While not a condition of this project, this
improvement will offer another means of access to and from the freeway
for citizens of the area.
The issue of added traffic on the Highway 14 Freeway was not specifically
addressed in the impact reports for this project. As previously stated,
the residential project is expected to generate approximately 600 vehicle
trips per hour during the peak hours. It's predicted that as much as 170
of these trips will want to use the freeway in the peak direction for
their home -to -work and back trips. It is inevitable that this trip will
cause an incremental impact to the freeway. Furthermore, there are no
immediate plans for improvements to the freeway.
Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement/
Traffic Impacts
March 22, 1990
Page 4
This incremental impact will inevitably be overshadowed by additional
traffic by development from well outside of the City's boundaries. For
this reason, the City needs to rely heavily on outside relief to solve
this pending deficiency. It would be difficult to expect development
within the City to fund the freeway improvements as well as provide the
much needed internal highway network.
It should be pointed out that The Colony project, as an 800 unit
residential development, is expected to generate hourly traffic volumes
during commuter periods similar to a 600,000 square foot industrial
development on the site. The major difference would be that the
directional peak flows would be reversed. A 600,000 square foot
industrial project represents approximately 30 percent coverage of the 45
acre site.
Santa Catarina Prosect
Number of Units 1,452
Forecasted Traffic
Generation 11,860/day
AM Peak Hour 767/hour
PM Peak Hour 719/hour
Anticipated Impacts Traffic forecasted to be generated by this
project would be expected to create significant
impact's to several intersections along Soledad
Canyon Road if the entire project was accessed
solely by Golden Valley Road between the
development and Soledad Canyon' Road. While the
intersections of Soledad Canyon Road at Whites
Canyon Road, Sierra Highway and Golden Valley
Road themselves would experience acceptable
service levels, Soledad Canyon Road and Bouquet
Canyon Road and Bouquet Canyon Road and Newhall
Ranch Road are predicted to be impacted by this
and numerous other projects considered at the
cumulative level.
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Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement/
Traffic Impact
March 22, 1990
Page 5
These impacts are shown as mitigated to an
acceptable level with the proposed extension of
Newhall Ranch Road (Route 126) from Golden
Valley Road to Bouquet Canyon Road. Table #1
and Table #5 of the report depict these impacts
and the resultant mitigation.
Since the project is proposed to be occupied in
phases and one-half of the units are expected to
be in place before the Newhall Ranch Road
connection is made, an evaluation was also made
of the projected impacts to the road system at
the interim level. This interim level would be
comprised of one half of the units generating
traffic with only Golden Valley Road as access.
The studies indicate that the various
intersections in the system will continue to
operate at an acceptable level with the
exception of Bouquet Canyon Road and Soledad
Canyon Road. This intersection is predicted to
deteriorate by one percentage point (from
volume/capacity [v/c] ratio of 0.89 to v/c ratio
of 0.90) with project traffic in the interim
condition. This is expected to occur only in
the afternoon peak hour. The 0.90 v/c ratio,
while not ideal, is tolerable over the relative
short term. This condition is the worst case
with a full one-half of the units occupied
without Newhall Ranch Road being extended.
Conceivably, this condition would only exist
until the very next unit in Santa Catarina was
occupied.
Another issue with this project is the
connection of Ermine Drive. The study predicted
that approximately 1,100 daily trips would be
drawn through the established neighborhood from
Santa Catarina, presumably to attend schools or
visit parks. The bulk of the trips from Santa
Catarina are estimated to traverse south over
Golden Valley Road to Soledad Canyon Road for
work and shopping related purposes.
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Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement/
Traffic Impacts
March 22, 1990
Page 6
The study further predicted that a like amount
of traffic (1,100 trips/day) would be attracted
over Golden Valley Road through the Santa
Catarina project from the existing residential
development. Considering the attractiveness of
the route, the 1,100 trips per day estimate may
be conservative.
This travel pattern can be expected to impact
the existing community in the following manner:
A significant increase in daily and hourly
volume on the presently terminated westerly
segment of Ermine Drive.
No significant change is expected on the
easterly end of Steinway Drive because the
increase in traffic by Santa Catarina
residents will be off -set by present volumes
diverting to the new street connection
(Golden Valley Road).
A possible reduction in traffic could be
realized on Camp Plenty Road because of the
more attractive route out of the established
area being provided through the Santa
Catarina project.
Recommended Mitigation The major mitigation measure, namely the
extension of Newhall Ranch Road from Golden
Valley Road to Bouquet Canyon Road, also
contributes greatly to relief of the existing
capacity constraints at several intersections
served by the project.
In addition, several specific measures are
recommended with the Santa Catarina project.
They are:
- The Santa Catarina Development should
participate in funding the area -wide
circulation improvements as required in the
Bouquet Canyon Improvement District by
constructing Golden Valley Road across the
Santa Clara River.
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Mark Scott
Palmer Development Agreement/
Traffic Impacts
March 22, 1990
Page 7
- Extend Golden Valley Road from Soledad
Canyon to the Project as a four (4) lane
secondary highway, except the Santa Clara
River Bridge.
- Construct Golden Valley Road across the
Santa Clara River as a two lane bridge plus
emergency shoulders. Provide also for a
left -turn lane at Newhall Ranch Road, if the
intersection is within 300 feet of the end
of the bridge.
- Extend Newhall Ranch road from Bouquet
Canyon Road to Golden Valley Road as a two
(2) lane highway with shoulders (40 feet
total) and four (4) lane graded section.
- Construct a traffic signal at Soledad Canyon
Road and Golden Valley Road.
- Construct a traffic signal at Golden Valley
Road and Newhall Ranch Road.
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