HomeMy WebLinkAbout1991-11-26 - AGENDA REPORTS - CUP 91 005 SAND CANYON ROAD (2)AGENDA REPORT
City Manager Approval
Item to be presented by:
Lynn M. Harris rri nhhL4
PUBLIC HEARING
DATE: November 26, 1991
SUBJECT: Appeal of the Planning Commission's denial of Conditional
Use Permit 91-005. The project site is located at _27009
Sand Canyon Road.
APPLICANT: Veterans of Foreign Wars.Post 6885
DEPARTMENT: Community Development
BACKGROUND
At the September 3, 1991 meeting, the Planning Commission adopted
Resolution P91-44,- formally denying Conditional Use Permit 91-005. The
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applicant proposes a conditional use permit to allow for the continued
use of an existing meeting and assembly hall with appurtenant facilities.
(VFW Post) in an A-1-2 (Light Agriculture, minimum required area two
acres) zone. The property consists of approximately 2.19 gross acres and
fronts on Sand Canyon Road.
The applicant presently operates a Veterans of Foreign Wars post at the
above referenced location. The use has been in operation for
approximately 20-24 years. The post is currently operating illegally
without benefit of a permit.
Staff has attached a memorandum from Richard Henderson, Principal Planner
to Lynn M. Harris, Director of Community Development, listing a
summarized chronology of events related to the activities of the VFW from
the commencement of the use to present day. In addition, staff has
attached a memo from the Sheriff's Department to the City Manager related
to a research of calls for service for the VFW Post #6885.
The site is presently developed with the following:
1) Two-story main building (includes the bar and restrooms)
2) Outdoor canteen (includes outdoor patio, covered patio, and
adjacent restrooms)
3) Recreation area (includes horeshoe area), located off-site within
the existing Sand Canyon Road right-of-way.
4) Unimproved.parking area
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Existing on-site are 12 oak trees, four of which are located within the
unimproved. parking lot. Approximately 56 parking spaces could. be
implemented within the lot. Sultus Street presently crosses the southern
portion of the property. The site is relatively flat and lies within a'
flood hazard zone. Access to the site is from Sultus Street. The
existing method of sewage disposal on-site is septic. The applicant has
not indicated hours of operation for the use nor the proposed maximum
occupancy expected at any one time.
The project was determined to .be exempt, pursuant to the California
Environmental Quality Act, Section 15261, due to the operation of
existing facilities.
During the review of this project, the Planning Commission received five
letters of opposition to the project. Three of these letters were from
organizations such as the Sand Canyon Homeowners Association, Sand Canyon
Land Use Committee, and the Crystal Springs Homeowners Association.
These letters cited concerns with the use and its incompatibility with
adjacent residential uses. The Planning Commission received five letters
supporting the project. Additional support of the project was submitted
in the form of a petition. A total of 620 signatures were included
within this petition.
ANALYSIS
The project site fronts on Sand Canyon Road. The surrounding land uses
are as follows: single family residential (north), single family
residential and a church (east), single family residential (south), and
single family residential (west).
The project site is within an area designated as Residential Estate
(RE). This designation is.intended for large lot, detached single family
homes that maintain the rural character of the area. Generally, an
assembly use could be found to be consistent with the General Plan if the
use serves the immediate area and does not create undue noise or nuisance.
In order for the Planning Commission to approve a conditional use permit,
the applicant must substantiate four findings. The Planning Commission
determined that the project did not meet two of the required four
findings. These findings are as follows:
1) That the proposed use will not be in substantial conflict with the
adopted general plan for the area.
The Commission determined that the project was not
consistent with the type of development prescribed by the
land use designation of Residential Estate (RE), due to the
incompatibility of the project with adjacent residential
uses. Though explicitly not a commercial use, the project
could be comparable due to the inclusion of a bar and food
service facilities within the facility and the renting of
the facility for private parties.
2) The requested use at .the location will not adversely affect the
health, peace, comfort or. welfare of persons residing or working in
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the surrounding area; be materially detrimental to the use,
enjoyment or valuation of property of other persons located in the
vicinity of the site; jeopardize, endanger or otherwise constitute
a menace to the public health, safety or general welfare.
The Commission determined that the use has caused undue
noise and nuisance impacts upon adjacent residential uses
as indicated by filed complaints, written correspondence,
and public testimony.
The Commission determined that the existing main structure
is not presently constructed to accommodate the existing
and operating use.
The Commission determined that the noise impacts associated
with the project are not compatible with residential uses.
The Commission denied the conditional use permit with the understanding
that a 90 day "stay" of code enforcement is being implemented on the
use. At the termination of this 90 day "stay", all use of the facility
as a Veterans of Foreign Wars Hall shall cease. The applicant in
appealing the Commission's decision suspended this determination of the
Commission.
At the direction. of the Council, staff has recently met with
representatives of the surrounding homeowners and representatives of the
V.F.W. Post. The committee representing the homeowners expressed a
willingness to support a maximum six-month period during which the VFW
could continue to operate at the present location,. while finding a
suitable location to move to. The committee indicated that they would
only support this additional time if the serving of alcohol cease
immediately. The final meeting between the two groups did not result in
any significant agreement concerning the continued operation of.the VFW.
Councilwoman Heidt has formally requested that this item be continued to
the next regularly scheduled Council meeting.
RECOMMENDATION
Uphold the Planning Commission's denial of Conditional Use Permit 91-005,
and direct staff to return to the Council with a resolution of denial.
This denial could include the modification of the "stay" period granted
by the Commission.
1) Planning Commission Resolution P91-44
2) Minutes from Planning Commission Meetings _(August 20, 1991)
3) , Staff Report (August 20;'1991)
4) Appeal Letter dated September 17, 1991
5) Memorandum from Richard Henderson to Lynn M. Harris
6) Memorandum from the.Sheriff's Department to George Caravalho
7) Memorandum indicating_ required building code improvements for VFW
structures
8) Letter from Ruben Barrera to Skip Johnson dated October 28, 1991
9) Vicinity Map
10) Project Proximity Map
11) Correspondence and Petition
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PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE
1.
Mayor Opens Hearing
a. States Purpose of Hearing
2.
City Clerk Reports on Hearing Notice
3.
Staff Report
(City Manager)
or
(City Attorney)
or
(RP Staff)
4.
Proponent Argument (30 minutes)
5.
Opponent Argument (30 minutes)
6.
Five-minute Rebuttal (Proponent)
a. Proponent
7.
Mayor Closes Public Testimony
S.
Discussion by Council
9.
Council Decision
10. Mayor Announces Decision
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
APPEALING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S
DENIAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 91-005
TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED USE OF AN
EXISTING MEETING AND ASSEMBLY HALL WITH
APPURTENANT FACILITIES (PRIVATE RECREATIONAL CLUB)
IN AN A-1-2 ZONE (LIGHT AGRICULTURE).
THE LOCATION IS 27009 SAND CANYON ROAD
THE APPLICANTS ARE THE VETERANS OF
FOREIGN WARS OF THE UNITED STATES
POST 6885
PUBLIC NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN:
A Public Hearing will be held before the City Council of the City of
Santa Clarita to consider an appeal from the Veterans of Foreign
Wars of the United States Post 6885, regarding the Planning
Commission's' denial of Conditional Use Permit 91-005 to allow the
continued use of an existing meeting and assembly hall with
appurtenant facilities (private recreational club) in an A-1-2 zone
(light agriculture). The location is 27009 Sand Canyon Road.
The hearing will, be held by the City Council in the City Hall
Council chambers, 23920 Valencia Blvd., 1st Floor, Santa Clarita,
the 26th day of November, 1991, at or after 6i3O p.m.
Proponents, opponents, and any interested persons may appear and be
heard on this matter at that time. Further information may be
obtained by contacting the City Clerk's Office, Santa Clarita City
Hall, 23920 Valencia Blvd., 3rd Floor, Santa Clarita.
If you wish to challenge this order in court, you may be limited to
raising only those issues you or someone else raised at the public
hearing described in this notice, or in written correspondence
delivered to the City Council, at, or prior to the public hearing.
Date: October 30, 1991
Donna M. Grindey
City Clerk
Publish Date: November 4, 1991
RESOLUTION NO. P91-44
A RESOLUTION OF -THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF SANTA.CLARITA, DENYING
MASTER CASE NO. 91-066
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 91-005
TO ALLOW FOR THE CONTINUED USE OF AN ASSEMBLY AND MEETING
HALL (PRIVATE RECREATIONAL CLUB) AT 27009 SAND CANYON ROAD
THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF' THE CITY OF SANTA CLARITA DOES HEREBY
RESOLVE AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. The Planning Commission does hereby make the following
findings of fact:
a. A complaint was filed against the VFW Post 6885, the subject project,
with the City's Code Enforcement Department on September 17, 1990.,
The complainant indicated that the use was causing loud noise, public
drunkenness, and trash problems.
b. After the review of existing documentation available on the use and
structure it was determined by.staff that the existing main building
was not constructed to required building standards for a meeting or
occupancy use. An inspection conducted by affected agencies
indicated the structure required 18 building and fire code
corrections to accommodate the assembly and meeting use. Staff also
determined that the use was operating illegally without benefit of an
approved conditional use permit.
C. The City's Code Enforcement Division informed the applicant of the
required building and fire code corrections and also informed the
Deputy District Attorney of violated code sections of the City's
Municipal Code. These sections are as follows:
1). 22.24.100 -Use subject to conditional use permit approval
2) 22.60.330 - General Prohibition
3) 22.60.340 - Violation declared misdemeanor
4) 22.60.350 - Public Nuisance
d. An application for a conditional use permit was filed with the City
of Santa Clarita by the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 6885 (the
"applicant') on April 30, 1991. The property for which this
application has been filed is located at 27009 Sand, Canyon Road.
(Assessor Parcel Number 2841-024-008, a legal description of which is
on file in the Department of Community Development.)
e. The applicant is requesting a conditional use -permit to allow for the
continued use of an existing meeting and assembly hall with
appurtenant facilities (private recreational club) in an A-1-2 zone
(Light Agriculture - 2 acre required area). The parcel consists of
2.19 acres.
Conditional Use Permit 91-005
Resolution No. P91-44
f. The site is presently developed with the following:
1) Two story main building (includes a bar, food service, and
restrooms)
2) Outdoor canteen (includes outdoor patio, covered patio, and
restrooms)
3) Recreation area
4) Unimproved parking area which consists of an area sufficient
to accommodate approximately 56 parking spaces
g. The subject parcel is zoned A-1-2 (Light Agricultural - two acre
required area). A private recreational club is permitted in this
zone with the inclusion of an approved conditional use permit. The
City's General Plan land use designation, for the project site is
Residential Estate (RE).
h. The site is relatively flat and improved. The vegetation on the site
consists of native shrubs and 12 oak trees, four of which are within
the unimproved parking lot.
i. The surrounding land uses are: single family residential, Sand
Canyon Road (to the north), Sultus Street, single family residential
(to the south), single family residential, church (to the east), and
single family residential (to the west).
j. The application was circulated for City Department and agency review
upon receipt. The application was deemed complete by the Community
Development Department on June 3, 1991. A Development Review
Committee (DRC) was conducted for the proposal.
k. A duly noticed public hearing was held by the Planning Commission on
August 20, 1991 at 7:00 P.M. The meeting was held at the City
Council Chambers, 23920 Valencia Boulevard, Santa Clarita.
SECTION 2. Based upon the above findings of fact, oral and written
testimony and other evidence received at the public hearing held for the
project, and upon studies and investigations made . by the Planning
Commission and on its behalf, the Planning Commission further finds as
follows:
a. At.the hearing of August 20, 1991, the Planning Commission considered
the staff report prepared for this project and received testimony on
this proposal.
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Conditional Use Permit 91-005
Resolution No. P91-44
b. The City's General Plan designation for the project site is
Residential Estate (RE). The Residential Estate land use category is
intended for large lot, detached single family homes that maintain
the rural character of the area. An assembly use could be found to
be consistent with the designation if it served the immediate
vicinity and does not -create undue noise or nuisance upon adjacent
residential uses. An assembly use that is not consistent with the
above definition is not a reasonable use for the parcel.
C. The 2.19 acre parcel is most suitable for development that is
consistent with the City's General Plan and the permitted uses listed
for the A-1-2 zone.
d. The proposal cannot fully meet the required findings for the granting
of a conditional use permit as listed in Santa Clarita Municipal Code
Section 22.56.090, as follows:
That the proposed use will not be in substantial conflict with
the adopted general plan for the area. (The project as
proposed, impacts the noise and land use elements of the
.City's General Plan. Though explicitly not a commercial use,
the project is comparable to one due to the inclusion of a bar
and food service facilities within the facility and the
renting of the facility for private parties. The noise and
nuisance caused by this use is not consistent or compatible
with surrounding residential uses. Land Use impacts have been
cited in previous sections of the resolution).
That the use requested will not adversely affect the health,
comfort or welfare of persons residing or working in the
surrounding area; be materially detrimental to the use,
enjoyment or valuation of property of other persons located in
the vicinity of the site; jeopardize, endanger or otherwise
constitute a menace to the public health, safety or general
welfare because:
The use has caused undue noise and nuisance impacts upon
adjacent residential uses as indicated by filed
complaints, written correspondence, and public testimony.
The existing main structure is not presently constructed
to accommodate the existing and operating assembly use.
The noise impacts associated with the project are not
compatible with the adjacent residential uses.
SECTION 3. Based upon the foregoing facts and findings, the
Planning Commission hereby determines as follows:
a. As proposed, the project does not substantiate all of the findings
associated with approving a conditional use permit.
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Conditional Use Permit 91-005
Resolution No. P91-44
b. As proposed, the project is not consistent with the City's General
Plan.
NOV, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Planning Commission of the City
of Santa Clarita, California, as follows:
The Planning Commission hereby denies Conditional Use Permit 91-005
with the understanding that a 90 day "stay" of code enforcement (from
the date that this Resolution is adopted) is.being implemented on the
use. At the termination of this 90 day "stay", all use of the
facility as a Veterans of Foreign Wars Hall (private recreational
club) shall cease.
PASSED, APPROVED AND ADOPTED this 3cri day of reptemhor 1991.
w� z:
Jerry D. Cherrington, Chairman
Planning Commission
ATTEST:
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L "n M. Harris
Director of Community Development
STATE OF CALIFORNIA )
COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES) as
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA)
I, Donna M. Grindey, DO HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing Resolution was
duly adopted by the Planning Commission of the City of Santa Clarita at a
regular meeting thereof, held on the day of , 1991 by the
following vote of the Planning Commission:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Cherrington, Woodrow, Modugno, Doughman, and Brathwaite_
NOES: COMMISSIONERS:
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS:
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PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES
August 20, 1991
PUBLIC HEARING
ITEM 2 - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 91-005 - located at 27009 Sand Canyon Road.
Director Harris introduced the item, a Conditional Use Permit to legalize the
existing use of a meeting and assembly hall with facilities constituting a
private recreational club in an A-1-2 zone. The applicant is the Veterans of
Foreign Wars of the United States Post 6885.
The following persons submitted last minute written testimony in opposition to
the project: Letter dated August 19, from the president of Crystal Springs
Ranch Homeowners Association representing 113 homeowners; letter dated August
20, from Louis and Rita Garasi, 26737 Gwenalda Lane; and a letter from Robert
and Lynn Stevenson, 15349 Iran Canyon.
Assistant Planner Glenn Adamick gave the staff report and slide presentation.
Chairman Cherrington opened the public hearing at 7:45 p.m..
The following persons spoke in -favor of the project:
Mr. Skip E. Johnson, Commander of VFW Post 6885, 28504 Sand Canyon Road, Sand
Canyon. Mr. Johnson spoke in favor of the VFW Post.
Mrs..Judy Johnson, President of the Women's Auxiliary of the VFW, 28504 Sand
Canyon Road,' 197, Sand Canyon. Mrs. Johnson outlined the.present activities
the VFW is conducting.with the welcoming home of Desert Storm troops.
Mr. Walter E. Anderson, 16424 Lost Canyon Road, Sand Canyon. Mr. Anderson
outlined some of the activities of the VFW.
Mrs. Dorothy. Mosely, 14102 Lanark Street, Panorama City. Mrs. Mosely spoke in
favor of the VFW. Mrs. Mosely outlined some of the VFW's community activities._
Mr. Philip H. Shea, 27432 Dewdrop, Canyon Country. Mr. Shea offered some
information to discredit various allegations against the VFW.
Mr. Ambrose Emard, Quartermaster of VFW Post 6885, 22421 Barbacoa, Santa
Clarita. Mr. Emard cited some of the positive actions the VFW has taken in
the Sand Canyon area as a good neighbor. Mr. Emard also extended an
invitation on behalf of the VFW to the local residents to open a positive line
of communication.
The following persons spoke in opposition to the project:
Ms. Cathy Joens, 15716 Condor Ridge Road, Canyon Country. Ms. Joens spoke in
opposition totheVFW citing loud parties.
Mr. Jim Anderson, 15618 Saddleback Road, Canyon. Country. Mr. Anderson spoke
in opposition. to the VFW; and on behalf of the -Sand Canyon Homeowners's
Association and as a homeowner.
Mr. William Hunt, 27019 Tannahill, Canyon Country. Mr. Hunt would like to see
the VFW brought within compliance of the zoning codes.
Ms. Claudia Hunt, 27019Tannahill, Canyon Country. Ms. Hunt spoke in
opposition with relation to the noise, drinking in public, and other nuisances.
Mr. Marty Kovacs, 26615 N. Mountain Park Road, Canyon Country. Mr. Kovacs
gave testimony regarding the.loud noise, and various other alleged violations.
Mr. Richard H. Christensen, 26915,,Tannahill, Canyon Country. Mr. Christensen
stated his opposition to.the VFW operating illegally within the.zone.
Ms. Catharine Chiurazzi, 16047 Comet Way, Canyon Country. Ms. Chiurazzi spoke
on behalf of the Comet Way Homeowner's Association in opposition to the VFW
citing the hall's inconsistency with the City's General Plan.
COMMISSION RECESS
A repess was called at 8:16 p.m. by Chairman Cherrington.
COMMISSION RECONVENES
Chairman Cherrington called the meeting back to order at 8:20 p.m..
ITEM 2 - Continued
Mr. Warren K. Johnson, 26534 Oak Crossing Road; Santa Clarita. Mr. Johnson
gave the rebuttal to the various allegations on behalf of the VFW.
Following the public testimony, a Commission discussion ensued with questions
asked of -the applicant relating to outstanding. code violations, and the
possible curtailment of offensive late night, loud activities.
Commissioner Modugno raised numerous questions of. staff related to the
neighbors' complaints and'Sheriff's records.
Chairman Cherrington closed the public hearing at 8:52 p..m..
The Commission opened their discussion and outlined the possible courses of
action available to the Commission.
The Commission discussed the VFW's inconsistency with the City's General Plan
due to the operating of a public meeting facility, and the meeting facility
not being a reasonable use in a residential neighborhood.
Commissioner Modugno motioned for the denial of Conditional Use Permit 91-005
as proposed, to direct staff to return to the next scheduled meeting with a
resolution of denial which includes a provision for continued operation for a
period up to 90 days (after adoption of said resolution), with no other
conditions, limitations or extensions; Vice -Chairman 'Woodrow seconded the
motion, and the motion for denial was -.carried by a vote of 4-1 with
Commissioner Brathwaite opposed.
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
STAFF REPORT
Conditional Use Permit No. 91-005
DATE: August 20, 1991
TO: Chairman Cherrington and Members of the Planning Commi��
FROM: Lynn M. Harris, Director of Community Devel ilt
CASE PLANNER: Glenn Adamick, Assistant Planner II
APPLICANT: Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) of the United States Post 6885
LOCATION: 27009 Sand Canyon Road; Santa Clarita
REgUEST: A conditional use permit to allow for the continued use of an
existing meeting and assembly hall with appurtenant facilities
(private recreational club) in an A-1-2 zone.
BACKGROUND
The applicant is presently operating a Veterans of Foreign Wars meeting hall
at the above referenced location. The use has been in operation for
approximately 24 years. The meeting hall use is currently operating illegally
without benefit of a permit.
On February 16, 1971, an occupancy inspection permit was taken out.fora VFW
meeting hall to be used for dancing and meeting activities. The permit was
cancelled by the L.A. County building inspector with the accompanying comment
'Not approved for use as a meeting hall, corrections too costly February,
1971.' Approvals on file indicate the following:
The site was approved on December 4, 1957 for a trout farm with the
appurtenant facilities being a club house, merry-go-round, swimming pool,
and picnic facilities. The main building was constructed previously, and
not to assembly or commercial standards.
An oak tree permit exemption (89-044) was issued by the City's Oak Tree
Consultant and.Senior Code Enforcement Officer for the removal of an oak
tree that had fallen in November, 1989.
A complaint was filed against the VFW post with the City's Code Enforcement
Division on September 17, 1990. The complainant indicated that the use was
causing loud noise, public drunkenness, and trash problems due to weekend
parties. Code Enforcement Officers inspected the site and indicated the code
violations to the applicant in a written letter.
Agenda Item: 2
An inspection was conducted on January 9, 1991, at the VFW Post by
representatives of the City's Building and Safety Division, Code Enforcement
Division, Los Angeles County Fire Prevention, and two members of the VFV
Post. This inspection was needed to determine the necessary building and fire
code corrections that would enable the applicant to obtain proper permits for
the use and structure. There was a total of 18 corrections that would be
required. These corrections are listed in an attached memorandum. As
indicated by the above required corrections, the building is not safe in
relation to its present use.
On March 7. 1991, the City's Senior Code Enforcement Officer Vytautas
Adomaitis sent a letter to Michael Noyes, Deputy District Attorney, outlining
the code violations. The code sections violated are summarized below:
22.24.100 - Use subject to conditional use permit approval
22.60.330 - General Prohibition
22.60.340 - Violation declared misdemeanor
22.60.350 - Public Nuisance
The applicant submitted a conditional use permit application on April 30,
1991, indicating that the above mentioned corrections and violations will be
corrected upon a granting of a conditional use permit for the use. The City
has allowed the use to continue while processing the conditional use permit
application on the advise of the District Attorney.
PROJECT DESCRIPTION:
The proposal is to allow a private recreation club in an A-1-2 zone. The site
is presently developed with the following:
1) Two story main building (includes the.bar and restrooms)
2) Outdoor `canteen (includes outdoor patio, covered patio, and adjacent
restrooms)
3) Recreation area (includes horseshoe area, teeter totters, and
merry-go-round), located off-site within the existing Sand Canyon Road
right-of-way.
4) Unimproved parking area which consists of 39 standard parking spaces, 13
compact spaces, and 4 handicapped spaces totaling 56 parking spaces.
Existing on-site are 12 oak trees, four of which are located within the
unimproved parking lot. The parcel consists of 2.19 gross acres and lies
adjacent to Sand Canyon Road. To the south lies Sultue Street, which is
presently a private and future street. The site is relatively flat and lies
within the flood hazard zone AO depth 3, which indicates a flood hazard zone
with an average inundation of three (3) feet. Access to the site is from
Sultus Street, which is presently unimproved. The existing method of sewage
disposal is a private on-site system (septic tank).
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The applicant is not indicating hours of operation for the: use nor the
proposed maximum occupancy expected at any one time. The usage of the
facility would be for members and guests and on occasion the facility is
rented for private groups and parties.
GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENCY:
The City's General Plan designation for the project's area is Residential
Estate (RE). The RE designation is intended for large lot, detached single
family homes that. maintain the rural character of the area. Generally; an
assembly use. could be found to be consistent with the General Plan, if the use
serves the immediate vicinity and does not create undue noise or nuisance.
SURROUNDING LAND USE/ZONING:
The zoning for the site is A-1-2 (Light Agriculture -2 acre required area). A
conditional use permit is required to allow a private recreation club within
this zoning designation. The following table sets. forth information as it
pertains to --the pioject site and surrounding areas including planning
categories, zoning, and land use designations. .
General Plan Zoning
PROJECT Residential Estate A-1-2
SURROUNDING AREA
North
Residential
Estate
A-1-2
East
Residential
Very Low
A-1-2
South
Residential
Estate
A-1-2
West
Residential
Estate
A-1-2
ENVIRONMENTAL STATUS:
Land Use
Main building and
appurtenant structures,
unimproved parking lot
Single Family Residential
Single Family Residential
Single Family Residential
Single Family Residential
The project is exempt pursuant to the California 'Environmental Quality Act
Article 18 Section 15261 Part B which states a private.project shall be exempt
from CEQA if the project received approval of a lease, license, certificate,
permit, or other entitlement for use from a public agency prior to April 5,
1973.
INTER DEPARTMENT/AGENCY. REVIEW:
The project has been distributed to the affected City Departments and
agencies. If an approval of the project is considered, the affected groups
recommend.the Commission require conditions as summarized in attachment "A". .
ANALYSIS:
The project site is surrounded by residential uses and lies on the northwest
corner of Sultus Street and Sand Canyon Road. Sand Canyon Road is designated
as a major highway by the City's General Plan (104' in width). The Sand
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Canyon floodway lies approximately 250' to the west of the site. The
Engineering Division is indicating.. the floodway limit lines were drawn
assuming an improved channel.. Sand Canyon wash is presently unimproved.
As indicated previously, an assembly use is generally consistent with the
City's General Plan land use designation of Residential Estate (RE), if it.
serves the immediate area and does not create undue noise or nuisance upon the
surrounding properties. This assembly use attracts persons from outside of
the immediate vicinity, due to the nature of the use (V.F.W. post) and the
renting of the facility for private parties. In addition, the Sand Canyon
Homeowners Association and adjacent residents have commented to staff
regarding the project. The residents have indicated that they are not
supportive of the project and will testify at the hearing. They believe the
use is incompatible with the residential neighborhood and that they have not
received.cooperation from.the V.F.W. in resolving their concerns.
After review of.the Noise Element of the General Plan, staff would like to
bring forth specific. policies that may impact this proposal. They are as
follows:
1) Goal 4, Policy 4.1 - Develop, adopt, and enforce a standard for all
commercial uses which cause adverse levels of significant discernible
noise on adjacent residential neighborhoods. (Though not explicitly a
commercial use, the project is comparable to a service oriented commercial
use due to the inclusion of a bar and food service within the facility and
the.renting of the facility for private parties.)
2) Goal 4, Policy 4.3 - Establish standards for the control of noise from
commercial and entertainment establishments when adjacent to residential
land uses. (This project, as indicated by adjacent property owners,
causes excessive noise which impacts a rural residential neighborhood.)
Staff has received one written complaint and additional phone calls from
others in the immediate area supporting the complaint. If approved, staff
believes the hours of operation for the use should be controlled and monitored
and private parties exceeding 100 persons be required to submit a Temporary
Use Permit application. The granting of this application would be at the
discretion of the Director of Community Development. This would allow staff
the opportunity to evaluate the individual proposals and the compatibility
with the surrounding area.
The project consists of 56 parking spaces which would allow for a project site
maximum occupancy of. 168 persons. The present parking layout would. be
significantly impacted by the Sand Canyon Road future right-of-way, setback
requirements, and improvement of the lot. The existing layout would need to
be modified to accommodate the above referenced number of existing spaces.
The parking lot is presently unimproved. The Santa Clarita Municipal Code
Section 22.52.1060 requires the lot be paved to present City standards.
According to Santa Clarita Municipal Code Section 22.56.090, the applicant
must substantiate four findings that are associated with the granting of a
conditional use permit. Staff believes the applicant has failed to
substantiate two of the four findings. They are as follows:
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1) That ,the proposed use will not be in substantial conflict with the adopted
general plan for the area. (The project, as indicated previously within
the staff report, impacts the land use and noise elements of the general
plan.)
2) That the -requested use at the location proposed will not:
A) Adversely affect the health, peace, comfort, or welfare of persons
residing or working in the surrounding area, or
B) Be materially. detrimental to the use, enjoyment or valuation of
property of other persons located in the vicinity of the site, or
C) Jeopardize, endanger or otherwise constitute a menace to public
health, safety, or general welfare.
Staff believes the project does adversely affect the sections cited
above. Cited within the staff report is the complaint by an adjacent
property owner, and support of the complaint (by other adjacent property
owners) related to the use. The adjacent property owners have expressed
their concerns regarding the negative impacts of the project and .its
effects upon them.
If approval of the project is considered, staff believes the requirements
cited within the attached summarized conditions of approval should be
implemented upon the project.
RECOMMENDATION
It is the opinion of staff that the applicant has not or cannot satisfy the
findings and requirements associated with the conditional use permit for' this
project; and therefore, staff recommends the Planning Commission:
Deny Conditional Use Permit 91-005 as proposed, and that the Planning
Commission direct all use of the building unsafe for these occupancies
cease immediately.
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VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS OF THE U.S.
CANYON COUNTRY POST NO. 6885 -
27009 Sand Canyon Road
Canyon Country, California 91351
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17 September 1991
City of Santa Clarita
23920 Valencia Blvd.
Santa Clarita, Ca. 91355
In accordance with the City of Santa Clarita's
Planning Commission Procedure, Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post 6885 wish on this date, September 17, 1991
to exercise our appeal rights to appear before the
City Council regarding the results of the Planning
Commissions denial of the Conditional Use Permit Case
No. 91 -005 -denied on September 3, 1991.
Our understanding is that the administrative cost
is Four Hundred & Sixty Five Dollars ($465.00).
o,Enclosgd is a check for that amount to cover the
administration fee's.
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Please inform the -VFW Post 6885, 27009 Sand
Rd., Canyon Country, Ca. 91351 of the date, time
place of the hearing.
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Than you,
Skip J hnson
Commander
(805) 252-6885
VETERANS 0F FOREIGN WARS 0F THE UNITED STATES
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
I N T E R 0 F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
TO: Lynn M. Harris, DirectorofCommunity Development
FROM: Rich Henderson, Principal Planner
DATE: November 6, 1991
SUBJECT: Chronology of events.(VFW Post 6885)
Below, I have listed a summarized chronology of events related to the
activities of the V.F.W. from the commencement of the use to present day:
1) As indicated by recordsonfile the V.F.W. appeared to have moved into
the location in Sand Canyon around the year 1971.
2) February 16, 1971 - An occupancy inspection permit. was taken. out for a
VFW meeting hall. The permit was cancelled by the L.A. County Building
Inspector with the accompanying comment, "Not approved for use as a
meeting hall, corrections too costly, February, 1971."
3) March 25, 1971 - Zoning enforcement letter was sent to the VFW stating
that the post was not permitted as it was changing use from a private
club to a fraternal organization.
4) August 16, 1971 - A complaint was received indicating that a trailer was
being used as living quarters.
5) September 30, 1971 - The trailer was removed, thereby suspending
enforcement.
6) December 17, 1971 A complaint was received again regarding a trailer
being used as living quarters.
7) January 19, 1972 - The trailer was removed,. thereby suspending
enforcement.
8) November 8, 1974 - Lloyds Bank, executors for the .estate of the previous
owner, requested affirmation of the legal nonconforming status of the
property.
9) November 26, 1974 - A letter, from Regional Planning, was sent to Lloyds
Bank reaffirming Zoning Enforcement's position that the VFW post is not
permitted in an A-1 zone.
10) December 27, 1974 - Lloyds Bank, contended by letter, that the history of
the property should make the use legal nonconforming.
11) February 7, 1975 Lloyds Bank was again advised that the VFW is not
permitted in the zone.
12) August 6, 1975 - Based upon a complaint, Lloyds Bank and the VFW were
sent a letter giving them 30 days to comply.
13) August 28, 1975 - The VFW was advised to file a zone change and given
until November 1, 1975 to do so.
14) November 14, 1975 - The matter was referred- to the District Attorney's
office.
15) November 26, 1975 The scheduled conference was not attended by the VFW
or Lloyds Bank.
16) January 15, 1976 - The District Attorney's office granted a time
extension to February 15, 1976.
17) February 20, 1976 - The VFW indicated that they could not file for a zone
change until probate proceedings were completed.
18) November 26, 1976 - The matter was referred back to the District
Attorney's.office.
19) December 21, 1976- The scheduled conference was not attended by the VFW
or Lloyds Bank. The attorney representing the VFW called and indicated
that probate proceedings were still not completed.
20) September 1, 1977 - The matter was referred back to the District
Attorney's office.
21) October 21, 1977 - The VFW's attorney indicated that the probate
proceedings were completed and the new owners were. Earl and Beatrice
Cain.In addition, the attorney indicated that the Cain's planned to
subdivide the property, and upon recordation, that the VFW plans to then
apply for a zone change.
22) November 8, 1977 - A time extension. was. granted by the D.A.'s office to
February 1, 1978 to file for a parcel map or zone change.
23) March 29, 1978 Parcel Map 8244 was conditionally approved.
24) September 5, 1978 - Parcel Map 8244 had not yet recorded so the item was
referred back to the District Attorney's office.
25) April 27, 1979 - :District Attorney's office, indicates to Sand Canyon
H.O.A. president Dennis Sherbel that the VFW is waiting for the
recordation of the parcel map to take ownership of the property and file
a conditional use permit.
26) September 7, 1990 - A complaint was filed with the City's Code
Enforcement Section, indicating that the VFW is having loud parties and
is a.general nuisance to the surrounding residents.
27) October 29, 1990 - A meeting between the VFW and the City was held. The
VFW is informed to submit a conditional use permit application within 30
days.
28) November 30, 1990 - Upon a request of the VFW, a 30 day extension was
granted.
29) January 18, 1991 - A field. inspection was performed on the site with the
City's Building and Safety, Code Enforcement, and Engineering
representatives attending. Los Angeles County Fire Department
representatives were also in attendance. The meeting is to provide the
VFW with an inspection of the property to determine the corrections
required by the Municipal Code.
30) March 18, 1991 - A letter is sent to the VFW from the District Attorney's
office outlining the charges against the VFW.
31) April 3, 1991 - A District Attorney conference resulted in the VFW being
informed to submit a conditional use permit application.
32) April 30, 1991 - The VFW submitted their conditional use permit
application.
33) August 20, 1991 - The Planning Commission denies Conditional Use Permit
91-005.
34) September 3, 1991 - The Planning Commission through the adoption of
Resolution P91-44, formally denies the CUP.
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CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
DATE September 10, 1991
FILE N0.
FROM: MARVIN J. DIXON TO: GEORGE A. CARAVALHO
ACTING CAP'kAIN CITY MANAGER
SUBJECT: VETERk •F FOREIGN WARS POST NO. 6885
Upon your request, my staff has recently completed a
review of our records regarding calls for service at
the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post located at 27009 Sand
Canyon Road, City of Santa Clarita.
In order to develop some frame of reference, my staff
also reviewed calls for service at the Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post locatedat16555 Sierra Highway, City of Santa
Clarita, and the Genesis Bar located at 21615 Soledad
Canyon Road, City of Santa Clarita.
The. review required a hand -search of records and covers
only Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays _from January, 1990
through July, 1991.
I should note that these comparisons may not be ideal
since the Genesis Nightclub and the VFW Post on Sierra
Highway are not located in residential areas, nor do
they rent their facilities.
TYPE OF INCIDENT
VFW SAND CYN
VFW SIERRA HWY
GENESIS
DISTURBANCE
19
3
UNK*
ASSAULT
1
3
9
DRUNK
1
0
4
NARCOTIC ARRESTS
0
0'
5
TOTALS
21
6
18
,
* Disturbance incidents would require an additional
forty -hour hand -search.
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
TO: Vyto Adomaitis, Senior Code Enforcement Officer
FROM: � Kyle Lancaster, Code Enforcement Officer
DATE: January 18, 1991
SUBJECT: Inspection of V.F.W. Post 6885
This memo is intended to provide you with a summary of the joint
inspection of V.F.W. Post 6885, conducted on January 9, 1991. At
approximately 11:15 a.m. on this date, the following persons met at the
site (27009 Sand Canyon Road):
Lewis Ross, V.F.G. Post 6885 Commander
Walter Anderson, V.F.G. Post 6885 Volunteer
Gary Rodgers, L.A. County Fire Prevention
Jim Wright, L.A. County Fire Prevention
Jim Donovan; Supervising City Building Inspector
Ruben Barrera, City Plan Check Engineer
Kyle Lancaster, City Code Enforcement Officer
Norman Sieger, City Code Enforcement Officer
The purpose of this inspection was to determine all necessary corrections
to'the property which would enable -the V.F.W. Post to obtain a Conditional
Use Permit. The following list documents the various corrections which
were detected at the time of inspection:
Bathrooms will need to be.made accessible for the handicapped.
r2. If the storage room near the outdoor entertainment area is to
remain, a one-hour fire wall must be installed on the side of
this room.
3 Knee braces will need to be installed on posts supporting the
cover of the outdoor entertainment area.
-4: If the occupancy load is over 50 people in any indoor or outdoor
area, "panic bars• will need to be installed on doors.
5. Occupancy limit signs need to be posted throughout, including
the outdoor entertainment area.
,6! Both stairways to the upstairs entertainment room will need to
be a minimum of 44 inches wide. Rear stairway rail will need to
be raised to 42 inches high. Both stairways will need to have
the guard rails covered so that there is no opening greater than
6 inches.
Vyto Adomaitis
January 18, 1991
Page 2
ra The front entrance to the upstairs entertainment room will need
to be fitted with a roofing system which has been approved as a
walking surface.
_-8. Lighted exit signs are needed throughout site, including the
outdoor entertainment area..
A. 'The ceiling to the upstairs entertainment room will need to be
framed in with drywall or another acceptable form of material
that meets flame spread requirements.
h 0. Flame -spread requirements must be met in both indoor and outdoor
entertainment areas with either drywall or an approved fire
retardant paint.
11. Curtains should be removed from upstairs entertainment area to
further prevent flame spread.
,12. Floor framing of upstairs entertainment area will need to be
verified.
13. If cooking facilities are to remain in downstairs area, Type 'I'
hoods will be required. If cooking facilities are removed,
microwaves will be accepted as a replacement.
.k4. "Wrap around" brace will need to be installed on air vent at the
entrance of the.building.
X15. All doorways on first floor must be accessible for the
handicapped.
16. Fire extinguishers will need to be added throughout site in
compliance with fire code regulations..
.1-7.. All doors will need a sign stating "This door is to remain
unlocked during hours of operation."
-k$. "Lever -type" locks must be installed on all doors to make them
accessible for the handicapped.
As this inspection came to a conclusion,.Mr. Ross and Mr. Anderson seemed
to feel that it would be feasible to make the above corrections if they
were able to obtain a 1'5 year Conditional Use Permit. They did not,
however, seem to think it would be worthwhile to make these repairs if
they could only obtain a 3 or 5 year Conditional Use Permit.. I informed
them that I would provide you with a detailed account of our findings, and
that you would be in contact with them during the week of January 21 to
discuss this matter.
Vyto Adomaitis
January 18, 1991
Page 3
Please contact me if you need more information regarding this inspection
Pictures are attached for your review.
Attachments
CC: Richard Henderson, Principal Planner
Jim Donovan, Supervising Building Inspector
Ruben Barrera, Plan Check Engineer
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City of
.Santa Clarita
23920 Valencia Blvd.
Suite 300
City of Santa Clarita
California 91355
October 28, 1991
Phone
(805)259-2489
Fax
(805)259-8125
Mr. Skip Johnson, Commander
VFW Post
27009 Sand Canyon
Santa Clarita, California 91351
Dear Mr. Johnson:
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
LYNN M. HARRIS
DEPUTY CITY MANAGER/
C7enM.OBa4rrera DEVELOP
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Building Official
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cc: Lynn M. Harris, Deputy City Manager
Rich'>HendersonrPrincipal-Planner
John Robinson, Building Inspector
This letter is to document our previous discussions that we had
during our site visit to the VFW Post on October 3, 1991 with John
Robinson, Building & Safety Inspector to inform you of the
Carl Boyer, 3rd
Division's official position.
Mayor
Jill Klajic
It was evident at the time of our visit, that no work had been
Mayor Pro -Tem
commenced since our previous visit on January. 9, 1991. This is
Jo Anne Darcy
different from the understanding of the Planning Division with
Counciimember
their last discussions with you that certain modifications or
repairs have been made to the building in conformance with the
Jan Heidt
Counciimember
list we provided you in January.
Howard "Buck" McKeon
Please be advised that these modifications are required to bring
Counciimember
the building into compliance and minimum safety in conformance
with the Building Code and must be done prior to Building &
'Safety's approval. We again remind you that you are required to
obtain all necessary building permits prior to commencing any work.
The, items shown on our original correction list were explained to
you by Mr. Robinson and a copy of Building & Safety's and
Planning's requirements were sent or given to you. These items
are still applicable. Please use this list for your use and
reference and feel free to call us should you have any questions
onanyBuilding & Safety related issues.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
LYNN M. HARRIS
DEPUTY CITY MANAGER/
C7enM.OBa4rrera DEVELOP
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Building Official
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cc: Lynn M. Harris, Deputy City Manager
Rich'>HendersonrPrincipal-Planner
John Robinson, Building Inspector
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Sand Canyon Homeowners Association
Land Use Committee
November 1 1 , 1991
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Mayor Carl Boyer c`�yoF
City of Santa Clarita
23920 West Valencia Blvd.
Santa Clarita, California
Re: V.F.W. Post 6885
Honorable Sir:
A representative of the Sand Canyon Homeowners Association Land
Use Committee has been asked to meet with a new representative
of the V.F.W. on Thursday, November 14, 1991, and professional
staff persons of the City. It is our understanding that this
meeting is principally at your request.
Our committee and the affected home -owners welcome any opportunity
to resolve this problem on a basis fair to all. The community
has grappled with the useage of this property since at least 1972,
and with the formation of the City has found a forum for resolution
and leaders who are concerned.
We applaud your leadership and expressed interest in
issue and assure you of our good will and cooperation
meeting of the parties.
Respectfully, -F
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Sand Canyon Homeowners Association Land Use Committee
Leslie L. Christensen
cc: Lynn Harris
Rich Henderson
Jill Klajic
Jan Heidt
Jo Anne Darcy
Howard "Buck" McKeon
this community
at this
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Sand Canyon Homeowners Association
Land Use Committee CITY of SANTA CLAK1TA
November 15, 1991
Mr. Rich Henderson
City of Santa Clarita
23920 West Valencia Blvd.
Santa Clarita, California
Dear Mr. Henderson:
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CITY CLQ".` ' OFFICIE
Re: V.F.W. Post 6885
This committee wishes to thank you for your efforts at the meet-
ing November 14, 1991, between•a representative of the V.F.W.
and this committee.
We are disappointed that the V.F.W. still has made no proposals
to cease the out of zone activities on its property or evento
moderate their effects on this area. We enclose a copy
of he
"Revised U.F.W. Policies" received at this meeting which arranges
to inform the community and to receive complaints, but fails to
offer any prospect of cessation of, or relief from, the presently
objectionable uses.
We regret that our suggestions for solution were rejected by
the V.F.W. as were yours and reiterate our willingness to allow
any period reasonably necessary for the V.F.W. to bring the use
of its property into compliance with its zoning and the General
Plan.
Finally, we assure you of our willingness to meet with you and
the V.F.W. any number of times if you feel any purpose would be
served by such meetings.
Very truly yours,
Leslie L. Christensen
Sand Canyon Homeowners Association
Land Use Committee
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cc: Lynn Harris, Dtr,ectot of=.Community Development-
Carl Boyer, Mayor
Jill Klajic, Councilperson
JoAnne Darcy, Councilperson
Howard "Buck" McKeon, Councilperson
Jan Heidt, Councilperson
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6600 WILSNIFE BOULEVARD. SUITE 860
LOS ANGELES. CALIFOPNIA 9oo48-4916
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September 6, 1991
Mr. Carl.Newton
SURKE, WILLIAMS & SORENSON
624 South Grand Avenue, 11th Floor
Los Angeles, California 90017
Re: Veterans of Foreign Wars
Dear Carl:
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I trust this letter finds you well. I have been retained to
represent the legal interests of the Veterans of Foreign Wars with
respect to certain appeals relating to a Planning Commission denial
of a CUP.
As you know the VFW building has been in existence for several
decades, such uses being open, hostile and notorious. In addition
my understanding is that the parcel in which my clients facility
site was owned by LA County as a private club hall notwithstanding
the fact that the surrounding area was zoned "A". The records as
I understand it bear. the notation "2ECII on the parcel which as you
know is a zoning exception case. If this is in fact true, my
client has a vested right in. the continued use of their building
and any interference on the part of the City with such usage will
cause my client substantial monetary damages.
I would suggest that -you instruct the City Staff to review the
seriousness of the actions of the Planning Commission and rest
assured that if the appeal fails before the City Council, (although
I am not sure that there is a case let alone an appeal necessary in
light of the zoning exception), my clients intend to pursue
appropriate monetary damages for the illegal acts and activities of
the City designed to shut dor my clients premises when in fact
they have such vested rights.. As time is of the essence, I would
ask you to expedite the research in this matter in order that we
might reach a prompt acco iodation of all of the various parties
needs,
:Very truly yours,
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Land Use Committee.
September 1, 1991
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George Caravalho, City Manager
City of Santa Clarita
23920 Valencia Blvd.
Valencia, California.
Re Conditional Permit 91-005
Veteran of Foreign Wars Post #6885
Dear Mr. Caravalho:
The members of the Sand Canyon Homeowners Association Land
Use Committee were shocked to discover at the Planning
Commission on August 20, 1991 that there were no materials
made available from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Office. That'the Sheriffs could return a request with "no
comment" merely exasperates those of us who know of the
dozens and dozens of calls made to them these past years.
Could we please correct this? We would like to be notified
if possible when these files are made available.
Thank you for your help in this matter.
Cordially,
Sand Canyon Homeowners Association
Land Use Committee
cc: Lynn Harris, Planning Department
Carl Boyer
Buck McKeon
Jan Heidt
Jill Klajic
JoAnn Darcy
0 Post Office Box 2252 Canyon Country, California 91351 o
Nakin and Nakin Law Corporation
MELVILLE H. NAHIN 6500 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD, SUITE 550
BRUCE A. NAHIN L05 ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90048-4925
'ALSO MEMBER O/ PENNSYLVANq BAR TELEPHONE (213) 651-0170
TELECOPIER (213) 651-0158
October 3, 1991
Mr. George A. Caravalho
Santa Clarita City Manager
23920 Valencia Blvd., Suite 300
Santa Clarita, California 91355
Re: Veterans of Foreign Wars
Post 6885
Dear Mr. Caravalho:
RECEIVED
OCT 0 4 1991
CITY MANAGER'3 VFFICh
CITY OF SANTA CLA,,ITA
As you are aware, the undersigned has been retained to
represent the VFW during the course of their appeal. Initially let
me point out that the VFW has existed in its location long before
any of us, with a few minor exceptions, ever knew the Santa Clarita
Valley ever existed. During its existence and apparently during
the alleged noncompliance period, the very Sand Canyon Homeowners
Association which is now complaining about its existence, utilized
the facilities of the VFW for several years as its meeting hall.
Likewise during the alleged noncompliance period, the Canyon
Country Chamber of Commerce utilized the premises for Frontier
Days.
Further let me point out that I have had an opportunity to
review certain police incident reports relating to the Sand Canyon
area for the last several years. A view of such incident reports
Indicate that none of the alcohol related traffic accidents or
alcohol arrests in the Sand Canyon area could be attributed to
visits to the VFW. Certainly members of the Sand Canyon Homeowners
Association cannot make similar claims. A good portion of the
alcohol related accidents and alcohol arrests are directly
attributed to residents of the Sand Canyon area. Nextly although
there is a large incidence of police responses to the VFW, most of
which are self-fulfilling prophecies. As the neighbors have
increasingly called the police, the police have increasingly come.
That does not mean there is any untoward activity at the location
for there have been few arrests attributable to such calls. The
fact that the members of the Associations are attempting to harass
the VFW by their repeated telephone calls to the Sheriff's
Department ought not enure to the detriment of the VFW.
Nextly, it is important to point out that the VFW is for
bettei or for worse a landmark in the Santa Clarita Valley. None
of the. complainers, with the exception of Paula Cox, lived in Santa
Clarita prior to the VFW's existence. All of the people living in
the Sultus area purchased with full knowledge that the VFW was
there.
October 3, 1991
Page 2
The VFW has attempted to be a good neighbor both with the
generosity in providing rest facilities for the children of the
Sultus area as they are waiting for school buses, the placement of
the Sultus mail boxes on VFW property, permitting the Sultus
residents to drive without easement across VFW property to access
their property, etc. The VFW has contributed greatly to the
community with respect to charitable events and otherwise.
When the VFW purchased the property, they were advised that it
was correctly zoned for a private club. In my view the ZEC in 1954
together with subsequent correspondence seem to indicate that in
fact for many years the club had been operated without any ,shut
down order. If nothing the doctrine of estoppel prohibits the
closure presently.
I would urge the City to recognize the rights of the VFW
forthwith and to cease acting viscerally in response to disgruntled
neighbors who have their own personal agendas.
On a final note, in my view 2 members of the Council have
conflicts of interest on the present issue. Although I highly
respect these 2 individuals one of whom being my mentor inn Santa
Clarita and the other a dear friend of my wife, on this particular
Issue I believe they ought to be recused. These individuals are
residents of Sand Canyon and, if Mr. Ostrom's assertions are
correct that is that the Sand Canyon Homeowners Association of
which he is President represents all the residents of the Canyon
and whom apparently pay dues to this Association and have the
ability to vote in the Association. It is in my view improper for
2 members of the City Council to sit and listen to the appeal when
the major opponent of the VFW is the very Association of which they
are voting members. Accordingly I would ask that Howard Ri12.k,
McKeon and Jan Heidt recuse themselves from further deliberations
yin the subject matter.
F
amhopeful that the City mediated talks between the VFW and
nd Canyon Homeowners Association may prove to be fruitful,
r you must understand that in the event that same does not
we must act expeditiously to protect our client's rights.
Very trj�l`y yours,
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City of
Santa Clarita
Carl Boyer, 3rd
Mayor
Jill Klajic
Mayor Pro -Tem
Jo Anne Darcy
Councilmember
Jan Heidt
Councilmember
Howard "Buck" McKeon
Councilmember
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23920 Valencia Blvd.
Suite 300
City of Santa Clarita
California 91355
October 21, 1991
Phone
(805) 259-2489
Fax
(805) 259-8125
Mr. Bruce Nahin
Nahin and Nahin Law Corporation
6500 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 550
Los Angeles, California 90048
Dear Mr. Nahin:
Thank you for your letter regarding the VFW Post located on
Sand Canyon Road. Our attorney has received a copy and will
advise our two councilmembers who live in the Sand Canyon
community as to whether a conflict of interest may exist on
their part.
A review of the Zone Exception Case (ZEC) file which you
mentioned, along with the County code enforcement files, show
that both the County and City have continuously maintained that
the VFW is ,operating without the benefit of. any zoning
approval. The ZEC, which never became effective, would have
permitted recreational uses .with the sale of ice cream and soft
drinks only.
If you wish to see any of the files we have concerning this
matter, please contact Rich Henderson at (805) 286-4088.
Sincerely
/X//org/e4Caravalho
City Manager
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This letter is in response -to your request that the
City Attorney review and respond to your recent letter
regarding the above -referenced matter. The zone exception
case on the property provides no support for the claim that
the Veterans of Foreign -War (VFW) may conduct and continue.
its activities on the property.
The City has retrieved the entire file of zone
exception case No. 1834 from the County,of Los Angeles. A
complete review of the files reveals the following described
documents and the.ultimate disposition of the zone exception
on the property: I
I. Horace T. Caine was the owner of the property
now occupied by the VFW Poston Sand Canyon Road. The Los
Angeles County Planning Department informed Mr. Caine by
letter dated October 22, 1954, that a zone exception was
granted to use the.prcperty for commercial fishing ponds,
commercial boating, picnic grounds, swimming pool, tennis
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and other courts, and the sale of.ice cream and soft drinks,
all subject to conditions of approval.
2. The conditions of approval on zone exception
1834 provided that no sale or serving of beer and wine or
alcoholic beverages of any kind would be allowed on the
premises;_that signs be limited to one double-faced.lighted
sign of not more than 84 square feet per face (or two signs
of 42 square feet per face); that no overnight
accommodations be maintained; and that if any provision of
the exception is violated, the exception shall be void and
the privileges granted would lapse.
3. Zone exception case 1834, to be effective,
required that an acknowledgment be recorded accepting all
the conditions. No record in the file shows that the
recordation occurred.
4. A March 25, 1971 .letter from the County of Los
Angeles to Montague Ticehurst of the VFW Clubhouse Committee
states that the clubhouse for a fraternal organization is
not permitted in zone A-1-2.
5. A January 9, 1975 memo of the code enforcement
section to a division chief recites that the zone exception
case had expired for nonuse. The memo states that the use
was a legal private club until it was taken over by the VFW
in 1971. The final sentence of that memo is as follows:
"The fact that the property use has changed from a private
club use (permitted) to a fraternal organization use (not
permitted) nullified the legal nonconforming status the
property would have enjoyed had it remained a private
club." Further, the division chief wrote at the bottom of
the memo, "I'm willing to go along with the above analysis
and determination.')
6. A February 7, 1975 letter to Lloyds Bank
states that the VFW Post at 27009 Sand Canyon Road has been
carefully reviewed and affirms that "the zone .ordinance
still does.not permit a veterans of Foreign War Post in zone
A-1-2."
7. A final document in'the file is a request for
a new business license for a Coin Game Section 9 (pool
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table). The head of the public information counter wrote
upon the request: "VFW post is -not permitted in zone
A-1-2.0
The above is a summary of all materials in the zone
exception case file as of September 17, 1991. As you are
aware, statutory law now prohibits the grant of variances to
Permit uses out of zone. The use of the VFW Post as
requested requires a conditional use permit. Appeal of the
denial of such a permit is currently pending before the City
Council.
If you have any comments or..questions, please do
not hesitate to contact -me.
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CARL K. NEWTON
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Lynn M. Harris, Director of Community Development
THOMAS ROGERS
August 30, 1991
Miss Lynn Harris
Director of Community Development
City of Santa Clarita
23920 Valencia Boulevard, Suite 300
Santa Clarita, California 91355
Re: Conditional User Permit 91-005
Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 6885
Project Location 27009 Sand Canyon Road
Canyon Country
Dear Miss Harris:
Received a letter today dated August 8, 1991 from the
Sand Canyon Homeowners Association regarding the Conditional Use
Permit Hearing for the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post. As a long
time resident of Sand Canyon, I find the reasons given for
opposing the VFW to be unacceptable. First of all, the facility
has been there long before most of the residents in this canyon.
Secondly, it preserves and indeed enhances to many of us the
"rural atmosphere" of the Sand Canyon area.
Over the past few years, there have been several
differences of opinion between the VFW and a number of their
neighbors. Unfortunately, they have been unable to resolve these
difference and, in some cases, the VFW have had some functions
that have been objectionable. Many of us find, however, the
majority of the functions that they have are for fund raising
purposes for various organizations throughout the Santa Clarita
Valley.
The VFW has been operating for many years and as such
has been conforming. I also bring it to.the.attention of not
only the Community Development Department but the residents that
there are other non -conforming uses within the canyon that have
already established that precedent. Unfortunately those are also
of a charitable -nature as opposed to out right businesses.
I strongly urge that.the Conditional Use Permit be
granted to the VFW as I do believe that it adds to the rural and
THOMAS ROGRRS
Miss Lynn Harris
August 30, 1991
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rustic atmosphere of Sand Canyon and is not, in fact, a spot
zoning exemption as stated in the letter. Perhaps so::_community
discussions can be had with the operators of the VFW and also
with members of your department or representatives of the City to
see that some amicable decision can be made as to appropriate
functions as opposed to those that seem to be offensive to some
members of our community.
. Unfortunately, I will not be able to appear at the
Planninq Commission meeting.as I will be out of the City at the
time. However, I would be most happy to answer any questions.
Thomas Rogers,`_)
15531 Iron Canyon Road
Canyon Country, CA 91351
(805) 252-7639
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To clarify matters, I am neither a member of the VFW
nor do I frequent the location except on a rare occasion.
August 29,1991
FDeary Council,eel compelled to write to you concerning the Veterans of
Wars Post # 6885 on Sand Canyon. Please strongly reconsider
them to obtain whatever permits are required to keep them
tion.
Grandfather, father, three uncles, brother, husband, and
all VFW's. My father was a prisoner of war in Japan for
most of WAN 11, but used to tell stories of the war all the time.
Through him, I spent many holidays at a VFW's post. My father very
much needed his time with other veterans to talk. As a young girl,
I would do my best to avoid getting stuck with him telling me the
same stories over again. His veteran friends were very special to
him, and were always there when he needed them.
A claim has been made that the use of this hal I isnot by
local people. I would be inclined to believe that that is not true.
Besides, if veterans come ,from out of town to use the hall, it is
still benefitting the veterans, which is it's intent_
I would also be inclined to believe that as patriotic as our
world has become in the past few months, the complainers against
this post are VERY small in numbers, (perhaps as many as one or
two?) Can you honestly say this is fair to our veterans ,who have
been at this location for nearly 30 years?
I was very angered and dismayed that anyone would even
consider driving the post out. I have noticed that the post has a
new fence around it. It looks like the veterans are trying to
control, more firmly, what goes on at and around their post.
As the daughter of someone who was helped immensely by his
post, I implore you to please consider fighting for our veterans,
not against them.
Thank you,
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Linda Larsen
19634 Crystal Spring Ct.
Newhall, CA 91321
252-2784
RECEIVED
AUG 3 0 1991
Cm COUNCIL
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
RECEIVED
SEP 0 9 1991
LYNN M. HARRIS
Director of Community Dov,
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CITY OF SANTA CLARITA
23920 W. Valencia Blvd.
Santa Clarita, CA.
RE: VFW Post 6885
Dear Planning Commission;
After reading the article entitled "'MOST PATRIOTIC CITY' LABEL DOUBTED" in today's Signal,
we totally agree with the people who are saying , and I quote:
"...this hall was here before they bought their house, and they knew that, so why should it move. It's a
landmark; it's a part of the community."
The City of Santa Clarita Planning Commission got them in this mess, so The City of Santa Clarita
Planning Commission should clear it up. Basically, butt out and leave them alone. Give them their
Conditional Use Permit! I think twenty eight years makes them legal.
Sincerely,
?AmesRhea Meurer
26622 Golden Valley Road
Santa Clarita, CA 91350
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Jointly fu ded by the City, businesses and citizens of Santa Clarita RECEIVED
August 9 26, 1991 AUG 2 7 1991
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CITY COUNCIL
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Dear Mayor Boyer and Council:
On August 20, 1991 the City Planning Commission denied Conditional
Use Permit 91-005 to the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 6885 located
in Sand Canyon and shut them down.
For more than two decades the V.F.W. facility had a business license
as a permit`to operate.- Lo_s.Angeles County did'not require a conditional
use permit even thoughthe zoning was A-1-2.
When the City's General`Plan took effect, the.zoning,was changed to,
RE to conform;to the luxury..residential estates'built numerously in
Sand Canyon. Amidst all ':this affluence the V.F.W. post conducts its, .
own veterans and community support programs-,and,"rents its facility
to other groups or businesses for special -occasions... This commercial
aspect is the irritant that provoked neighbors_ to. complain to the
Sheriff's Dept. and the City.
City Planners and code enforcers descended upon the Post and prepared
the Planning Commission with a case for deniaYo-f the C.U.P.. 91-009
based on non-conformance with the new zoning.._.
The Sand Canyon Homeowners Assoc. was also: well prepared with arguments
against the right of the V.F.W. to be ,there. Sotneresidents also
testified why the V.F.W, was a bad,neighbor..,-
The V.F.W tried i,in the' l5.minutes alloted,to;;,;
1. Explain that the unpleasant incidents in-the'past'occurred by renters
events which are now';;rigidly controlled by -security guards and V.F.W.
members.
2. Show that the Condor Homeowners Assoc. considers the V.F.W. a good
neighbor.
3. Reveal the variety of,valuable community services V.F.W. members
perform.
I gave a 5,'minute rebuttal, touching -,some of theifollowing points ,-
1. The Grandfather Clause in civil law.entitles the'V.F W.'to'a C U.P.
exemption.frotn the new.zoning. 'It provides :"ani"exception to a restriction
that allows all those already doing something-,>tor'continue doing it..
even if they would be stopped by the new restriction." (Law Dictionary
for non -lawyers)
2. The -General Planshould allow forathe.V.F.W. to exist or else phase
out over a long period.of time if it'fs:disruptive to the dominant
residential use.
3. The V.F.W. post should have been considered during G.P.A.C. sessions.
Unlike the dominant business interests represented, non-profit organizations
and the V.F.W., specifically, had no advocates.
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(Note - After I asserted that the General Plan is not complete or
finished, Commission Chairman Cherrington insisted the G.P. was complete
and finished. There may always be a need for amendments. Sometimes
it may be to consider situations like that of the V.F.W. Then there
are outright mistakes to remedy. The mistake of allowing over 200
house's to be built in the path of the most favorable of two possible
alignments for Route 126 is a most obvious example. Another that
was caught in time involves a significant future improvement to what
some may consider a blighted part of the city. The City staff informally
approved the S.C.V. Historical Society's Downtown Newhall Historic
District concept a year ago. It was overlooked entirely by the planning
staff until the Historical Society moved to include it in the General
Plan.)
4. If progress and compatability of neighboring types requires changes
in land use zoning, fair and equitable enforcement should be the standard.
Shutting down the V.F.W. without compromise or compassion to remedy
neighbors complaints is:
discriminatory.
5. As for the V.F.W. site being non -conforming in an RE zone, let
me draw your attention to another area of the city, Placerita Canyon
from Sierra HIghway to 13th St. Think about the non -conformity of
these luxury homes with their neighbors: oil fields, three co -generation
plants, The Masters College, the Country School, the Melody Ranch
movie lots, and commercial entities. How is this area zoned? How
do all these non -conforming entities co -exist within General Plan
zoning?
(Note - The Co -generation plants paid about half a million dollars
to the Placerita Homeowners Assoc. to muzzle their complaints. The
V.F.W. cannot afford the same arrangement, nor should they submit
to it. The Y.F.W. Was there first, quite the opposite of the co -generation
plants.)
The answers to the above questions involve C.U.P.s.for the non -conformers.
Are the same considerations being given the V.F.W. that were applied
to those in Placerita Canyon? The planning Dept. should answer these
questions completely. If the V.F.W. is not being given equal opportunity
for a C.U.P. then this is a case of discrimination. I urgently request
that the City Council conduct an inquiry into this matter.
The V.F.W. will appeal the Planning Commission's ruling, and rightly
so. I have submitted this letter to encourage a more thorough analysis
and thus a fair treatment to a valued organization that serves the
community as well as veterans.
Some may have a view that the V.F.W. should simply sell its valuable
property and relocate. The V.F.W.'s rights are at issue here; not
whether they can afford to be shut down and moved out. I do not expect
this from the.Council.
The favor of a reply is requested.
Sincerely,
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Warren K. JO
Craig W. Morgan
703 North California Street
Burbank, California 91505-2937
City -of Santa Clarita
Members of the City Council
23920 Valencia -Boulevard
Santa Clarita; California 91355
Dear Council Members:
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August 23, 1991
RECEIVER
SEP 0 3 1991
LYNN M. HARRIS
DIMW of Community DM
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AUG ? 6 1991
CITYCCUNCIL
CITY OF SANTA C:ARITA
As a Vietnam veteran, and being a.life member of the Veterans of
Foreign Wars of the United States, an annual member of the American
Legion and AMVETS, I want you to know that I am totally upset with
your Planning Commissions vote to close Veterans of Foreign Wars, Sand
Canyon Post 116885, in reference to 1191-005, Conditional Use Permit.
I attended your Planning Commissions public hearing meeting held on
August 20, 1991. The documentation presented by the homeowners was in
the form of charges. Some of these charges may have dated back months,
when these homeowners didn't reside where they do today. These
homeowners testified to the effect that they were present; and
physically observed these charges, many of which hasn't been verified
by the Sheriffs Department or the A.B.0 and remain just hearsay, but
became the main issue. At this same public hearing meeting, the
assistant to Principal Planner Rich Henderson, stated that a request
was sent to the Sheriffs Department, regarding 1191-005. It was
returned stating No Comments. Further verbal communication also
resulted in No Comments, as stated by Mr. Hendersons assistant. Mr.
Hendersons assistant further stated that the California Alcohol Beverage
Control, (ABC), was contacted and their reply was that V.F.W. Post 6885
has a licgnse to operate with no restrictions and no violations noted.
Let me quote your Commissioner, Pat Modugno, from the L.A. Times,
August 21, 1991. "WITH 20 YEARS OF INCOMPATIBILITY, GIVING THE V.F.W.
AND THE NEIGHBORS SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR' TO WORK THINGS OUT ISN'T GOING
TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE." Please let me ask you this. Where was Mr.
Modugno 20 years ago? Where were these homeowners -20 years ago? Where
was V.F.W. POST 6885 20 years ago? In the same location that they
were just thrown out of! WHO WAS THERE FIRST? My god, talk about a
misuse of justice. In my opinion, these homeowners, charged, brought
to trial, and convicted V.F.W. Post 6885 without the benefit of due
process of law. The Planning Commission then passed sentence.
It is my understanding the Planning Commission re -zoned this area as
residential. Yet these homeowners have boasted that they raise sheep
and horses. What do they do with these sheep and horses? I for one
being the dumb.person that I•am would say that they sell them, period.
Maybe this area should have been re -zoned as commercial and not
residential. Why would you allow these homeowners to raise sheep and
horses in an area zoned as residential?
In closing may I please add this. Veterans of Foreign Wars,.Sand
Canyon Post 6885 is the grandparent of this area. Please give them the
respect they deserve. They want to do whatever is necessary, but the
homeowners refused to talk. The homeowners did acknowledge, and
thanked them for all the hard work they have done for the community. I
don't understand that. The homeowners thank them for what they have
done,. on this same property that they operate from, that they just
closed down.
Thank you for taking the time to read my letter.
Very truly yours,
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Craig W. Morgan
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Louis and Rita Garasi
26737 Gwenalda Lane
Canyon Country, California
August 20, 1991
City of Santa'Clarita
Planning Commission
Re: CUP 91-005
VFW Post 6885
Dear Chairman Cherrington and Commissioners,
We ask that you deny this request. This "private" bar and club
has been operating illegally for 15+ years despite the
community's repeated complaints to Los Angeles County of public
disturbance, code and zoning violations.
This is not a matter of patriotism nor snobbishness. It is a
land use issue. On factual merits alone, this combination bar,
meeting hall, recreation and picnic area attracting crowds on a
regional scope for -public events, does not belong in the middle
of a residential neighborhood. This is not a local neighborhood
use.
Local families should be free and "permitted" to enjoy their own
homes and yards, at any hour of day or night, without crowd
noise, parking lot clamor, and music from public gatherings.
"Conditioning" the incompatibility will not make it compatible
nor consistent. On the _basis of noise alone, the proposal cannot
be made to conform with the surrounding canyon homes. Sound
seems to travel remarkable distances in Sand Canyon. Noise from
crowds, bands and loud speakers from this hall can be clearly
heard over a half a mile away. The close hillsides, various pad
elevations and background sound levels create unique and
unexpected sound patterns.
It is unfair to ask any neighborhood to accept an already
demonstrated incompatible use. Compromises simply haven't
worked .... nor will conditions! Years of failed "good neighbor"
attempts have already shown that the use cannot be made to
"fit", despite community patience and the operators' good.
intentions.
Please deny this CUP and find that the proposed use is
incompatible and inappropriate at this location and;
It fails to meet the Burden of Proof required
for a conditional use by Santa Clarita Municipal
Code 22.56.090.
(Staff report -last paragraph page 4 and page 5)
Is in substantial conflict with the city's adopted
General Plan and previous L.A. County plans.
The RE land use designation does not provide
for this use; as the facility does not primarily
serve the immediate vicinity, as required.
The subject property is of a size and shape and
in such a location that it cannot be made to
accommodate the proposed use.
Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely,
C
Louis Garasi Rita Garasi
Robert and Lynne Stevenson
15349 Iron Canyon Rd. Canyon Country, CA 91351
(805) 251-5689 FAX (805) 251-2869
August 13, 1991
Dennis Ostrom
President - Sand Canyon Homeowners Association
16430 Sultus
Canyon Country, CA 91351
Reference: Conditional Use Permit 91-005, VFW Post 6885
Dear Dennis,
We will be unable to attend the August 20thtmeeting and wanted to give you our
thoughts on the VFW issue. Please feel free to quote us or distribute this letter.
The VFW appears to be running a business in what amounts to an open bar and
party spot in the midst of our rural and otherwise quiet community.
We have heard many complaints of loud noise/music, crowding, traffic,
drunkenness, and lewd conduct (including urinating on neighbor's property). It is
evident that the VFW no longer primarily serves a local group of veterans with
minimal impact on the community. In addition; the VFW property has been poorly
maintained and is generally an eyesore to the community.
We would be delighted if the VFW conditional use permit was not granted (or
severely restricted). We certainly do not need to encourage driving under the
influence of alcohol on Sand Canyon Road which endangers all of us and our
children. In addition, property owners located near the VFW certainly do not
deserve the ongoing abuse that they have suffered.
We realize that the VFW was here long before many of us, however, they have
failed to change with the times. Society no longer freely accepts alcohol as the
primary reason forgathering. Organizations such as MADD, the stricter laws
against drunk driving, and the programs in our local schools are all indications
that society is maturing. With Sand Canyon now a -well developed community this
situation can no longer be tolerated.
Very truly yours,
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Bob and Lytevenson
CRYSTAL SPRINGS RANCH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION
23236 LYONS AVENUE, SUITE 204
SANTA CLARIT`' . CA 91321
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA PLANNING COMMISSION AUGUST 15, 1991
23920 VALENCIA BLVD., SUITE 302-
VALENCIA.
02VALENCIA. GA. 91355
RE; CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 91-005 VFW POST 6885
TO THE SANTA CLARITA PLANNING COMMISSION:
AS PRESIDENT OF THE CRYSTAL SPRINGS RANCH HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATIONJ, AND REPRESENTING 113 HOMEOWNERS, WE WISH TO
DECLARE THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST GRANTING, THE VFW A
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THEIR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 27009
SAND CANYON ROAD.
OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS CONCERNING
ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE ON THE VFW'S PROPERTY. THE MOST
FREQUENT COMPLAINTS ARE REGARDING EXTREMELY LOUD
MUSIC LATE INTO THE MIGHT, LARGE GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE CAUSING
TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN THE AREA, AND ALCOHOLIC LITTER IN
THE AREA. THE LATE NIGHT DRINKING, ABUSIVE LANGUAGE, AND
LOUD MUSIC KEEPS YOUNG CHILDREN FROM SLEEPING AND IM GENERAL
CREATES A BAD ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR BEDROOM COMMUNITY. NET T-
SHIRT PARTIES HAVE ALSO BEEN REPORTED OCCURRING, ON THE
PREMISES CAUSING LOUD AND DEGRADING TALK.
BECAUSE OF THE "OPEN PARTIE€", DRINKING IN AND AROUND THE VFW
FACILITY, AND BECAUSE THE PATRONS THEY SERVE COME FROM A
BROAD REGION OF THE SANTA CLARITY VALLEY, WE AS PARENTS MUST
RESTRICT OUR YOUNG, CHILDREN FROM GOING ANYWHERE NEAR THIS
UNDESIRABLE FACILITY.
THE SAND CANYON AREA REPRESENTS AN AFFLUENT BEDROOM
COMMUNITY, GEARED TO THE OUTDOORS AND FAMILY RAISING. THIS
TYPE OF FAMILY ENVIRONMENT HAS NO PLACE FOR A CAROUSING ,
LOUD DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT THAT CAUSES US CONCERN FOR THE
SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND IS GENERAL A NUISANCE AND A BLIGHT
TO THE AREA.
THE VFW HAS OPERATED ILLEGALLY SINCE THE 1970'8, AND WE AS AN
ASSOCIATION FEEL THAT THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO ENFORCE
THE A-1 TONING REQUIREMENTS AND DENY THE VFW'S CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT.
SINCERELY
RICHARD D. SATHRE, PRESIDENT
CRYSTAL SPRING'S RANCH ASSOCIATION
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Sand Canyon Home Owners Association
August 6, 1991
Glenn Adamick ,
City of Santa Clarita 40
Department of Community Development ../
3920 Valencia Boulevard, Suite 302
Santa Clarita, California 91355
Subject: City Master Case Plumber: 91-066, Request for a
private recreation club (VFW) in an A-1-2 zone along Sand Canyon.
Dear Mr. Adamick:
The topic of the VFW Post along Sand Canyon at Sultus has been
discussed several times in the past few years at the Sand
Canyon Home Owners Association (SCHOA) meetings. These
discussions generally started because of homeowners complaints.
Among the complaints have been: loud parties late into the
night, alcohol being consumed by minors on premises, drunkenness
on and around the premises, excessively large crowds, and
unsanitary conditions. Additionally, the SCHOA is now aware that
the VFW has been operating for t^.- pas` two decades
The SCHOA recognizes that the key issues regarding the Subject
are: 1, is the proposed use compatible with the City's General
Plan and 2. is the proposed use compatible with the surrounding
area. In both instances, the answer is clearly NO! The SCHOA
has been very clear in its desire for no additional commercial
enterprises in Sand Canyon south of the Santa Clarita River and
this has been reflected in the new General Plan. The
surrounding area is a rural equestrian residential area. The
proposed, operation is, simply a bar that will draw the majority
of its clients from outside the area. This is not compatible
with the . General al F'l-.n nor with the surrounding area.
The SCHOA very strongly requests that you deny this
application. „ N
Dr. D6nnis h',—W-trom, President
Sand Canyon Home Owners Association
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Glenn Adamick
City of Santa Clarita
Department of Community Development
23920 Valencia Blvd., Suite 302
Santa Clarita, Ca 91355
Dear Mr. Adamick:
Enlcosed please find copies of some pertinent if old letters re
the V.F.W. matter. If you don't presently have copies, these
may serve to help you in your putting facts together in this
case.
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SAND CANYON HOME OWNERS' ASSOCIATION
August 8, 1991
SUBJECT; Conditional Use Permit 91-005, Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post 6885
Dear Fellow Sand Canyon Resident:
On August 20, 1991 at 7:00 p.m. the City of Santa Clarita
Planning Commission will hold a public hearing to consider
granting a conditional use permit for the Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post 6885 located at 27009 Sand Canyon Road. This is an
issue crucial to the future of the entire canyon. We want to
acquaint you with the pertinent facts, history and issues and to
request your suggestions, participation and support.
The members of this committee have repeatedly received
complaints concerning activities taking place on the V.F.W.'s
premises. The most frequent concerns are loud band music, large
gatherings of people, traffic congestion on Sand Canyon Road,
alcoholic litter in the area, drinking in public, rental of the
facilities to various groups, tent and motor -home camping,
permanent residents in substandard housing, and the sale of
alcoholic beverages to non-members. There have even been "open
parties" as illustrated on the copy of a flyer we have enclosed.
These conditions and others constitute a land use that is not
compatible with the rural residential character of the canyon.
Moreover, many have pointed out that the V.F.W. principally
serves and attracts persons from a broad region of the Santa
Clarita Valley, and has not been primarily for local
neighborhood use.
Since the 1970's -the V.F.W. has operated with full knowledge
that their occupancy in an A-1 zone is impermissible. They have
operated contrary to law and are otherwise nonconforming.and
illegal. After considerable departmental review, in 1975 the
case was referred by the County to the District Attorney to
require the V.F.W. to comply with zoning laws. Continued
promises by the V.F.W. to seek a zone change stalled effective
prosecution of the matter until 1978. Requests to legalize
nonconforming use status have consistently been denied,
commencing in 1974. Accordingly, the City has now required the
V.F.W. to apply for a conditional permit.
A public hearing on this application to allow the V.F.W. to
continue its presently impermissible use and occupation is set
for Tuesday, August 20 before the City Planning Commission. If
the conditional use permit it seeks is denied, the V.F.W. will
be required to cease its operation. If, however, the V.F.W. is
permitted to continue operating, this would 1e in conflict with
the spirit and intent of the "General Plan", which is to uphold
the zoning and integrity of our rural residential community.
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It is imperative that the City not begin de -facto "Spot -Zoning" of
inappropriate uses in Sand Canyon. For years, Canon residents have
joined together and have been successful in resisting attempts to
establish commercial and quasi -commercial uses and zone changes in
the canyon. The sole exception is the V.F.W., which has never had
the proper zoning or exemption. Mow that the V.F.W.'s usage'is
finally before a decision-making body it is critical that this
incompatible, nonconforming use be terminated. We do not want this
exception to serve as a precedent for other similar commercial
proposals.
You can make the difference. Talk to your neighbors and call us with
your ideas or any input to share with city officials. Most
importantly, since the V.F.W. and its members will likely appear in
force, please plan to attend the planning commission meeting. Your
presence is the only effective way to demonstrate your interest.
Without your support, we face the creation of a permitted precedent.
This spot -zoning exemption could only result in the erosion of the
residential character of Sand Canyon and -the perpetuation of
conditions which conflict with the peaceful enjoyment of our homes.
Cordially,
Sand Canyon Land Use Committee
A Committee of the Sand Canyon Home Owners' Association
Clem & Paula Cox (252-2409) Dick & Leslie Christensen (252-5152)
Dick & Arlene Keysor (252-5634) John & Kristine Brock (252-2623)
Pug Riggins Bonnie Eidson
Martin Kovacs (251-1246) Dennis Ostrom (251-6113)
Stan & Sandy Vath (252-6741)
Subject: Conditional Use Permit 91-005
Veteran of Foreign Wars Post 6885
Project Location: 27009 Sand Canyon Road
Location of Hearing:
City Council Chambers
23920 Valencia Blvd., First Floor
Santa Clarita, CA 91355
Time: 7:OOpm
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SYLLABUS OF
SAPID CANYON HOMEOWNERS`
ASSOCIATION IN RE:
V.F.!4. CASE #, 91-005
RECEIVED
AUG 13 1991
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SK,etiry to the COMMSS.On
71:io is in reply to your me;,io of 4leptember 19, 1973.
In t1:iet ,aemo you referred to the zoning problems of the VOU
estaolis'i:ent on"and Canyon load and requested that this
deaart ent advise you as to what actions have previously been
taken and what efforts are currently being made 'to correct
these problems.
In response, we advise that a review of department records have
disclosed 6h t the facility at the above location has indeed
had a lon^ history of zoning problems. A summary of the more
significant actions pertaining to these problems is as follows:
Get. 24. 1954 --Zone Exception Care No. 1634 was grauted for
the use of a,private club.
June 15, 1959 - Zone Change Case IQo. 3773 to change from
an A-1 zone to an 11-R zone was: denied.
Au,-,. 16, 1971 - A complaint was received tha% a trailer was
being used as living quarters.
:;ept.30, lg71 - As the trailer was removed, enforcement
was suspended.
Lec. 17, 1471 - A complaint was received that a trailer
yns again beina ur-od an liv.inC quarters.
Jan. 19, 1072 - As the trailer was removed, enforcement
Teas --uspended.
Nov. 11, 1974 - Lloyds Dan,,, executors for the estate of
the previous owner, Er. I.oraco T. Cain,
requested affirmation of the legal
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llov. 26, 1975 - Ho one appeared at the scheduled office conference.
1^76 - Deputy D. A. Tithe Ilansen granted a' -time extension
by letter to 2/15/76 (Attachment D).
Feb._20, 1976 - An inspection disclosed that two of the three
trailers were removed. Conditional Use
Permit No. 776 was filed for the remaining
mobile home but was held because of.the
Thomas Decision. VF'r) was unable to file
fora zone charige until probate proceedings
were completed:
eHov. 26. 1976 - The matter was referred back to the
District Attorney's Office.
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21. 147A _ IQo one appeared fnr• the sC ed,._ed office --e fn s-..ce
but Attorney T. lleaudet called and stated that
probate proceedings were still not completed.
Time extended 120 days to file for a zone change.
"eat.. 1, 15r7% - The natter was referred back to tlhe
District Attorney's office.
c,ct. 21, 1�7_i - Attorney Dortudet aapearcd for the scheduled
office conference and explained that the property
wan through probate andnow awned by earl and
and Beatrice Cain (brother and sister) who
plan to subdivide the parcel. Upon recordation,
VF's plans to purchase whatever parcel is available
and file for a zone change. /
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history of the proparty should make the
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the A-1 zone does not pennit a VFk) post
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- Based on a complaint, a _iU day letter to comply
lms cent to 'tile VPt) post and Lloyds Bank
(Attachment C).
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--The time was extended to file for a zone change
until 11./1/7.5.
19ov. 14, 1975 -
The matter was referred to the District
Attorney's office for disposition.
llov. 26, 1975 - Ho one appeared at the scheduled office conference.
1^76 - Deputy D. A. Tithe Ilansen granted a' -time extension
by letter to 2/15/76 (Attachment D).
Feb._20, 1976 - An inspection disclosed that two of the three
trailers were removed. Conditional Use
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mobile home but was held because of.the
Thomas Decision. VF'r) was unable to file
fora zone charige until probate proceedings
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eHov. 26. 1976 - The matter was referred back to the
District Attorney's Office.
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but Attorney T. lleaudet called and stated that
probate proceedings were still not completed.
Time extended 120 days to file for a zone change.
"eat.. 1, 15r7% - The natter was referred back to tlhe
District Attorney's office.
c,ct. 21, 1�7_i - Attorney Dortudet aapearcd for the scheduled
office conference and explained that the property
wan through probate andnow awned by earl and
and Beatrice Cain (brother and sister) who
plan to subdivide the parcel. Upon recordation,
VF's plans to purchase whatever parcel is available
and file for a zone change. /
Deputy :Ran Pinaliuk
.�teaDor :�, 7970
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t:ov. 8L1'';7 - A. conference was held in which Deputy
J. A. Hansen granted a time extension
to the Cains until 2/1/70 in which to have'
a parcel map or zone change filed.
ktP.29, 1873 Parcel i•lap No. 13244 was conditionally approved.
"apt. 5. 197:1 - As a final map had not yet been recorded for
Parcel Map No. 0244, the clatter was referred
back to the District Attorney's Office for
disposition.
'c trust this is tha -inform•^.tion jmu-deei ra,_ if wp can be of
any further assistance, please do not honitate to contact us.
M•l
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Attachments
NORMAN MURDOCH COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES COMMISSIONERS
Planning Director DEPARTMENT OF REGIONAL PLANNING GWEN H. LEWIS
EDGAR T. IRVINE Chairmen
Acting Chief Deputy ARTHUR J. BAUM
ROBERT W. CHAV E 320 Wen Temple Street Vice Chairmen
Deputy Director Loa Angela, Glitornla 90012 SADIE B. CLARK
JOSEPH K. KENNEDY
Telephone. 9748401 CAROLYN P. LLEWELLYN
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Deputy Director LOCI LLA BARTHEL
WAYNE L. STEWART Secretary to the Commi"ion
Deputy Director .
November 29, 1976
Mrs. Paula Cox
16093 Live Oak Springs Canyon Road
Saugus, California
Inspection File N" R-��
Dear Mrs. Cox:
This is in reply to your referral of November 8, 1976 in
which you complained of the sale of alcoholic beverages on
the premises at 27009 Sand Canyon Road in zone A-1 r Sand Canyon
i Zoned District.
'! An inspection of the premises disclosed that alcoholic beverages
are sold on the property. It was also noted that the
Veterans of Foreign Wars maintain a fraternal organization
on the property.
These are not permitted uses in zone A-1 and are in violation
of Section 232, Los Angeles County Zoning Ordinance 1494.
The matter has been referred to the District Attorney's Office
with,the request that a criminal complaint be filed.
We -trust this is the information that you desire.
Very truly -yQ11r1%1.,,. -- •----- -
DEPARTMENT OF REGIONAL PLANNING
Norman Murdoc . tanning Director
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Plan E eectuation Branch
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SAND CANYON HOME OWNERS' ASSOCIATION
August 8, 1991
SUBJECT; Conditional Use Permit 91-005, Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post 6885
Dear Fellow Sand Canyon Resident:
On August 20, 1991 at 7:00 p.m. the City of Santa Clarita
Planning Commission will hold a public hearing to consider
granting a conditional use permit for the Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post 6885 located at 27009 Sand Canyon Road. This is an
issue crucial to the future of the entire canyon. We want to
acquaint you with the pertinent facts, history -and issues and to
request your suggestions, participation and support.
The members of this committee have repeatedly received
complaints concerning activities'taking place on the V.F.W.'s
premises. The most frequent concerns are loud band music, large
gatherings of people, traffic congestion on Sand Canyon Road,
alcoholic litter in the area, drinking in public, rental of the
facilities to various groups, tent and motor -home camping,
permanent residents in substandard housing, and the sale of
alcoholic beverages to non-members. There have even been "open
parties" as illustrated on the copy of a flyer.we have enclosed.
These conditions and others constitute a land use that is not
compatible with the rural residential character of the canyon.
Moreover, many have pointed out that the V.F.W. principally
serves and attracts persons from a broad regionofthe Santa
Clarita Valley, and has not been primarily for local
neighborhood use.
Since the 19700s the V.F.W. has operated with full knowledge
that their occupancy in an A-1 zone is impermissible. They have
operated contrary to law and are otherwise nonconforming and
illegal. After considerable departmental review, in 1975 the
case was referred by the County to the District Attorney to
require the V.F.W. to comply with zoning. laws. Continued
promises by the V.F.W. to seek a zone change stalled effective
prosecution of the matter until 1978. Requests to legalize
nonconforming use status have consistently been denied,
commencing in 1974. Accordingly, the City has now.required the
V.F.W. to apply for a conditional permit.
A public hearing on this application to allow the V.F.W. to
continue its presently impermissible use and.occupation is set
for Tuesday, August 20 before the City Planning Commission. If
the conditional use permit it seeks is denied, the V.F.W. will
be required to cease its operation. If, however, the V.F.W. is
permitted to continue operating, this would be in conflict with
the spirit and intent of the "General Plan", which is to uphold
the zoning and integrity of our rural residential community.
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It is imperative that the City not begin de -facto "Spot -Zoning" of
inappropriate uses in Sand Canyon. For years, Canyon residents have
joined together and have been successful in resisting attempts to
establish commercial and quasi -commercial -uses and zone changes in
the canyon. The sole exception is the V.F.W., which has never had
the proper zoning or exemption. Now that the V.F.W.'s usage is
finally before a decision-making body it is critical that this
incompatible, nonconforming use be terminated. We do not want this
exception to serve as a precedent for other similar commercial
proposals.
You can make the difference. Talk to your neighbors and call us with
your ideas or any input to share with city officials. Most
importantly, since the V.F.W. and its members will likely appear in
force, please plan to attend the planning commission meeting. Your
presence is the only effective way to demonstrate your interest.
Without your support; we face the creation of a permitted precedent.
This spot -zoning exemption could only result in the erosion of the
residential character of Sand Canyon and the perpetuation of
conditions which conflict with the peaceful enjoyment of our homes.
Cordially,
Sand Canyon Land Use Committee
A Committee of the Sand Canyon Home Owners' Association
Clem & Paula Cox (252-2409) Dick & Leslie Christensen (252-5152)
Dick & Arlene Keysor (252-5634) John & Kristine Brock (252-2623)
Pug Riggins Bonnie Eidson
Martin Kovacs (251-1246) Dennis Ostrom (251-6113)
Stan & Sandy Vath (252-6741)
Subject: Conditional Use Permit 91-005
Veteran of Foreign Wars Post 6885
Project Location: 27009 Sand Canyon Road
Location of Hearing:
City Council Chambers
23920 Valencia Blvd., First Floor
Santa Clar.ita, CA 91355
Time: 7:OOpm
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V.F.W. POST ON SAND CANYON ROAD
MAY 18, 1990 BIG PARTY - APPROX. 120 - 150 CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF
SULTUS, SAND CANYON AND IN OUR PRIVATE DRIVEWAY; LOUD MUSIC,
DRINKING, VOMIT ON OUR.SIDE GATES, BROKEN BOTTLES ALL OVER
SULTUS STREET,OUR BACK YARD, HORSES ARENA, OUR DOGS HAVE
CUT UP, BLEEDING FEET BECAUSE OF THE BROKEN GLASS, THEY HAD TO
BE LOCKED INSIDE OUR HOUSE, WE CALLED MR. DENNIS OSTROM (PRES.
HOMEOWNERS ASSOC.) AND THE SHERIFF"S.DEPT. THE PARTY ENDED AT
2 A.M. DRUCKS STAGGERING INTO CARS GOING HOME. SEE PICTURES
MAY 25, 1990 LARGE WEDDING, MESS ALL OVER, LOUD MUSIC, CALLED SHERIFF.
JUNE 8, 1990 LARGE PARTY, MUSIC STOPPED AT MIDNIGHT, PARTY STILL GOING ON
TILL 2 A.M. CARS SPINNING IN THE DUST, ARGUMENTS OUTSIDE CARS.
JUNE 15, 1990 PARTY CLOSED DOWN 11 P.M.
JUNE
24,
1990
CAMPOUT - COOKOFF, WE NO LONGER STAY HOME ON WEEKENDS!
JULY
14,
1990
SATURDAY MORNING - PARTY STARTING -- WE ARE LEAVING
JULY
27,
1990
FRIDAY - BIG PARTY, CALLED V.F.W. TO LOWER.MUSIC, NOTHING DONE,
CALLED SHERIFF'AT 11 P.M. (CAN'T LISTEN TO OUR T.V.), 11:40 P.M.
LOUD MUSIC STILL ON.
SEPT.
15,
1990
PARTY, CALLED SHERIFF, LOUD MUSIC TILL 12:15 A.M.!!
DEC. 01. 1990 WEDDING - CARS -ALL OVER (SULTUS).
1991
JAN. 26, 1991 LARGE MEETING
FEB. 2, 1991 MOTOR HOMES - DRUNK PEOPLE ALL OVER.
FEB. 2, 1991 LARGE WEDDING
FEB. 16, 1991 SPANISH WEDDING
FEB. 23, 1991 LARGE WEDDING
APRIL 13, 1991 PARTY, LOUD MUSIC, CAN'T TALK IN OUR FAMILY ROOM! CARS ALL OVER.
APRIL 20, 21, '91 LARGE PARTY - J. NOLAN
MAY 4, 1991 PARTY, EXTREMELY LOUD MUSIC
MAY
5,
1991
LARGE PARTY - SEE PICTURES!
MAY
11,
1991
LOUD WEDDING
77
MAY 18,
1991
WEDDING, CARS
ALL OVER
JUNE 5,
1991
PICNIC PARTY,
CARS ALL OVER
JUNE 8,
1991
MOTOR HOMES,
TENTS AND MUSIC
JUNE 22,.1991
PARTY, DRUNKS
DRIVING CARS.
JUNE
26,
1991
PARTY, CARS ON BOTH SIDES
OF SULTUS AND SAND CANYON RD.
JULY
20,
1991
WEDDING, VERY LOUD MUSIC,
CALLED SHERIFF.
THIS IS JUST OVER A YEAR OF LOGING ACTIVITIES OF V.F.W., WE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR
8 YEARS, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL ME.
KRISTINE K. BROCK 252-2623
AUGUST 7, 1991
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V.F.W. Hall, Sand Cyn
4-13-91 1745 hrs Deputy Fair
6/8/91 1700 hrs Called VFW directly and they turned it down.
6/22/91 1715 hrs called VFW directly and they did nothing.
1730 hrs called VFW directly and they said too bad.
1730 hrs called Deputy Petersen, nothing done.
1815 hrs called Deputy Petersen back, music louder.
1900 hrs finally closed down.
7/20/91 1400 hrs Went to VFW. They said "its not
disturbing anyone!" I explained my husband worked graveyard
shift and was trying to sleep: An old man said it was
not a nuisance and for me to quit complaining. I said I
was trying to be considerate by telling them directly to
turn it down. I guess I would have to call the sheriff•'s
department. Man claimed to be a deputy. When confronted he
then claimed to be a "retired deputy", and came at me in a
hostile manner. I felt it was futile to try to talk to
them civilly, and the sheriff's department should handle it.
1405 hrs. Called Watch Commander - Sgt. Morton.
Explained above. - He stated I should have gotten the man's
I.D. I said it was not worth a physical altercation.
1530 hrs It was closing down.
This is just a few times that I recall complaining about the
VFW.
For further details,.please call me.
Claudia Hunt 251-3855
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1950
hrs
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Finally shut it down.
5/4/91
2020
hrs
Deputy Fair
2250
hrs
Music turned up louder.
2300
hrs
" "
Shut down..
5/5/91
1400
hrs
Large party
at VFW - took pictures.
Hen6(,gyp
5/11/91
1500
hrs
Wedding at VFW - barely tolerable.
6/8/91 1700 hrs Called VFW directly and they turned it down.
6/22/91 1715 hrs called VFW directly and they did nothing.
1730 hrs called VFW directly and they said too bad.
1730 hrs called Deputy Petersen, nothing done.
1815 hrs called Deputy Petersen back, music louder.
1900 hrs finally closed down.
7/20/91 1400 hrs Went to VFW. They said "its not
disturbing anyone!" I explained my husband worked graveyard
shift and was trying to sleep: An old man said it was
not a nuisance and for me to quit complaining. I said I
was trying to be considerate by telling them directly to
turn it down. I guess I would have to call the sheriff•'s
department. Man claimed to be a deputy. When confronted he
then claimed to be a "retired deputy", and came at me in a
hostile manner. I felt it was futile to try to talk to
them civilly, and the sheriff's department should handle it.
1405 hrs. Called Watch Commander - Sgt. Morton.
Explained above. - He stated I should have gotten the man's
I.D. I said it was not worth a physical altercation.
1530 hrs It was closing down.
This is just a few times that I recall complaining about the
VFW.
For further details,.please call me.
Claudia Hunt 251-3855
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