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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008-06-10 - AGENDA REPORTS - BENZ RD NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEY (2)Agenda Item: CITY OF SANTA CLARITA AGENDA REPORT UNFINISHED BUSINESS City Manager Approval Item to be presented by: DATE: June 10, 2008 Andrew Yi SUBJECT: BENZ ROAD TRAFFIC ISSUES AND RESPONSE TO NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEY DEPARTMENT: Public Works RECOMMENDED ACTION City Council receive Benz Road survey results and leave existing restrictions as is. BACKGROUND With the opening of Copper Hill Drive to David Way by Los Angeles County in 2003, Benz Road was connected between Bouquet Canyon Road and Copper Hill Drive, While the intended use of Benz Road was for local traffic, the roadway became a shortcut for many motorists from outside the neighborhood. Benz Road quickly experienced a significant traffic volume increase, from around a few hundred vehicles per day to about 3,300 vehicles per day. The City, working with area residents on Benz Road and the Sheriff s Department, has implemented many measures to help manage traffic on Benz Road. The measures have included special enforcement, turn restrictions, stop sign installations, striping modifications, and additional speed and weight limit signs. A chronological summary of additional measures completed on Benz Road is attached. The City worked with area residents and Los Angeles County to implement peak -hour turn restrictions at four locations to reduce motorists from using the roadway as a cut -through route. These locations were Benz Road at Bouquet Canyon Road, Sue Drive at Bouquet Canyon Road, Benz Road at Copper Hill Drive, and Buckhorn Lane at Copper Hill Drive. After implementation of the turn restriction, staff conducted additional traffic volume counts at the original control point on Benz Road, between Dan Court and Copper Hill Drive (Count Location A on the attached Survey Area Map). The new counts indicated the traffic volume had been reduced from 3,300 to 1,800 vehicles on a typical weekday. However, residents fronting Wie,rvd b (t& +'a Benz Road commented that the traffic volume on the southern portion of the roadway is higher. Per their comments, staff conducted additional counts further to the south on Benz Road, between Alaminos Drive and Canterwood Drive (Count Location B on the attached Survey Area Map). This new data recorded approximately 2,450 vehicles on a typical weekday in that area. The higher traffic volume at Count Location B is due to trips generated locally, not "cut -through" trips. Benz Road residents continue to express their concerns that measures the City has implemented have not reduced traffic volume enough, and the residents requested that the City Council implement additional traffic measures. Residents have suggested measures that include closing Benz Road. It should be noted that while the current turn restrictions on Benz Road and Buckhorn Lane have had a significant impact in reducing the traffic volume, they have also caused adverse impacts to the local residents. Area residents have been subjected to longer travel length, no direct routes to their destinations during peak periods, and higher traffic volumes on adjacent streets due to the rerouted traffic. If more restrictive measures are placed on Benz Road, local residents will experience more significant adverse impacts. City staff with the support of Benz Road and Cross Creek Drive area residents developed a letter and survey to collect the neighborhood's input on this matter. The survey form is attached. The survey was sent to 538 neighborhood residents who might be impacted if more restrictive measures are implemented to reduce the traffic volume on Benz Road (Survey Area Map is attached). A total of 260 residents returned the survey. Attached is a graph that illustrates residents' input in detail along with 24 pages of comments. The survey results are summarized below: I wish to leave existing traffic restriction as is (260 responses): Do not support: 97 (37%) No opinion: 13 (5%) Strongly support: 139 (53%) If you do not support leaving the existing restriction as is: Extend the hours on the current turning restrictions (187 responses): Do not support: 154 (82%) No opinion: 13 (7%) Strongly support: 20 (11%) Implement full time closures at Buckhorn Lane and Benz Road at Copper Hill Drive (197 responses): Do not support: 158 (80%) No opinion: 7 (4%) Strongly support: 32 (16%) Close Benz Road between Alaminos Drive and Canterwood Drive (cul-de-sac and/or other barriers) (203 responses): Do not support: 131 (65%) No opinion: 10 (5%) Strongly support: 62 (3 1 %) Residents fronting Benz Road were very supportive of additional restrictions, however, the survey results clearly indicate that the majority of the neighborhood residents do not support any additional measures that would further restrict traffic circulation in the area, Thus, staff recommends to leave the existing restrictions and continue to work with the Sheriff s Department on enforcement in the neighborhood. ALTERNATIVE ACTIONS As directed by the City Council. FISCAL IMPACT To be determined. ATTACHMENTS Benz Road Chronology Benz Road Survey Form Benz Road Survey Area Map Benz Road Survey Results Charts Benz Road Survey Comments Benz Road Chronological Summary The following is a chronological summary of events regarding traffic conditions in the Benz Road area: March 2003 - Benz Road was opened to Copper Hill Drive, and shortly thereafter residents in that area became increasingly concerned with traffic conditions when traffic volumes began climbing from a few hundred vehicles per day to over 3,300 vehicles per day. 2003 and 2004 - City staff began working with residents regarding the increase in traffic volume. Staff installed centerline and edge line striping, speed limit signs, two multiway stop signs, and weight limits signs. Staff also worked with the Los Angeles County Sheriff s Department for increased enforcement in that vicinity. March 22, 2005 - Residents brought their concerns to City Council during its regular meeting. At that meeting, the Council directed City staff to continue working with the residents, the County, and the Sheriff s Department on those issues. 2005 - Staff held meetings with the residents and devised a least restrictive two-step plan of action that was acceptable to the residents. The goal of the plan was to reduce cut - through traffic and the overall vehicular volumes on Benz Road to less than 2,000 trips per day. Step I improvements included installing signs restricting peak -period turning movements onto Benz Road and Sue Drive from Bouquet Canyon Road, and onto Buckhorn Lane and Benz Road from Copper Hill Drive. The proposed improvements on Buckhorn Lane at Copper Hill Drive were contingent upon approval by the Los Angeles County Board of Super -visors. Step 2 improvements would include signing and striping modifications restricting all but outbound right -turn movements from Benz Road and Buckhorn Lane onto Copper Hill Drive, and would only be implemented should Step I -improvements not be successful in reducing traffic volumes in that area to less than 2,000 trips per day. 0 February 28, 2006 - City Council approved the two-step plan. May 19, 2006 - The County Board of Supervisors approved a revised plan. Many Los Angeles County residents on Cross Creek Drive opposedthis two-step plan. Staff worked with the County to reach a compromise for the implementation of Step 1. The compromise was to reduce the hours of turn restrictions frorn Copper Hill Drive onto Buckhorn Lane and from Copper Hill Drive onto Benz Road. March 20, 2006 - City staff instituted the morning -peak turn restrictions of Step 1, and installed signs restricting right turns off Bouquet Canyon Road onto Sue Drive and off Bouquet Canyon Road onto Benz Road. June 8, 2006 - City staff instituted the evening -peak turn restrictions, and installed signs restricting right turns off Copper Hill Drive onto Buckhom Lane and off Copper Hill Page I of 2 Drive onto Benz Road. Staff continued to work with the Sheriffs Department on enforcement of the new turn restrictions. January 2007 - Residents of Cross Creek Drive have continued to petition the County for the construction of back-to-back cul-de-sacs in the area of the intersection of Canterwood Drive and Buckhorn Lane. The County held a public meeting to inform these residents and their neighbors about this request. At that meeting, County staff told residents that such improvements would require the support of the affected area to move forward. October 2006 to January 2007 - Traffic volume counts were collected on Benz Road near Dan Court, the counts totaled between 1,500 and 1,850 vehicles daily, indicating that Step I improvements were working to achieve their desired results. August 2007 - After residents commented that the traffic volumes on Benz Road were greater south of Canterwood Drive than at the control location utilized north of Dan Court, staff conducted additional counts at that location (while school was in session) as follows: • Traffic volume on the upper section between Dan Court and Copper Hill Drive (Count Location A on the attached Survey Area Map): • Weekday average of 1,800 vehicles per day. • Weekend average 1,590 vehicles per day. • Traffic volume on lower section between Alaminos Drive and Canterwood Drive (Count Location B on the attached Survey Area Map): • Weekday average of 2,450 vehicles per day. • Weekend average of 2,130 vehicles per day. • Average traffic volume (for Locations A and B combined): • Weekday average of 2,125 vehicles per day. • Weekend average of 1,860 vehicles per day. November 2007- Staff met with Los Angeles County engineering and discussed the most recent traffic volume findings, neighborhood opposition to additional restrictions, and alternatives. County staff was pleased with the results of the current restrictions, and concerned that any additional restrictions would be very controversial and may have adverse impacts to the community. April 23, 2008 - Many residents have indicated that additional restrictions on Benz Road would create higher traffic volumes on their streets. Staff, therefore, worked with the residents to develop and send a letter and questionnaire to residents for their input on additional traffic measures at Benz Road. Current - City staff continues to work with the Sheriff s Department on enforcement and monitoring traffic volumes to assure that the measures continue to be effective. Page 2 of 2 CITY OF SANTA CLARITA/COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONAIRE Name: Address: Are you the property owner on record for the above address? 0 Yes 0 No Do you currently live at the above address? El Yes 0 No Please note that, at this time, the two hour peak turn restrictions will remain in place unless another alternative is identified and supported by the neighborhood I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is El Do not support* El No opinion El Strongly Support * If you do not support leaving the existing restrictio ' ns as is, please rate your level of support for the following alternatives that would place additional traffic restrictions on Benz Road to further reduce "cut through" traffic. Extend the hours of the current peak hour turn restrictions. El Do not support 0 No opinion El Strongly Support Implement Step 2 of the original plan. Institute full-time turn restrictions at the intersections of Copper Hill Drive at Benz Road and Copper Hill Drive at Buckhorn Lane There would be no access onto Benz Road or Buckhorn Lane from Copper Hill Drive and outbound right -turns would be the only movements allowed at these intersections (See enclosed diagram ) El Do not support EI No opinion 0 Strongly Support Construct a cul-de-sac and/or other barriers on Benz Road between Alaminos Drive and Canterwood Drive, which would divert "through traffic" to different routes and would therefore make "cut through" trips undesirable. This alternative would allow for the removal of peak -hour turn restrictions at Bouquet Canyon Road and at Copper Hill Drive. (Benefiting residents might be required to contribute to the costs associated with these improvements.) COMMENTS: Signature El Do not support El No opinion 13 Strongly Support Date Note - onl one questionnaire per residence will be accepted No questionnaires will be acceptedfrom y properties that were not originally addressed by this letter and questionnaire. For more information on the boundaries of this mailing, pleasefeelfree to contact Gus Pivetti with the City of Santa Clarita (D LL co 0 E IL FL Cl) ElOH Row h -J I cu N32IHiV)4 U cc 1-1 0 ED c .PIPI E -7D LLJ 26 0 —NINVIV r LU 'u V. J, —j' Oe T, 0 c co c U) a L) CL Li 0 0 BENZ ROAD SURVEY RESIDENT COMMENTS - 24 PAGES - Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE If you close off Benz they will just come up to Hob and go through that way. Which would create more traffic on the end of Alarr�nos which I live on in the comer house. It is already unsafe, people are always speeding around the comer. I don't see a problem. I have never seen many cars waiting to turn onto Benz from Bouquet. Either Step 2 or the cul-de-sac option would simply shift the problem to Katharine/Alaminos. The cul-de-sac option would also restrict access for emergency vehicles. This restnction has resulted in more traffic and pollution on Alaminos and Kathleen streets. Not only has our quality of life been effected but it also has a financial impact since it requires us to take a longer and slower route to our home. We are older retired people and during the fires we could not take the shortest and fastest route home to our pet. Having to go a longer more traffic congested route home creates stress when you think of a possible emergency. Living on a fixed income and considering the price of gas, we resent that this restriction has cost us financially as well as emotionally. Your alternatives are a waste of taxpayers money. This hole traffic restrictions not only empacts the crybaby caca pants on Benz Road but the rest of the community in the neighborhood. Dear Gus Pivetti, Senior Traffic Engineer, We strongly do not support any changes to the existing traffic restnctions. All of the proposed restrictions would cause a diversion of traffic onto Alaminos Drive and Kathleen. Motorist will cut across Alammos to Kathleen to Copperhill. The problems of the residents of Benz Road will become the problems of residents on Alaminos Drive and Kathleen. According to your map there are 35 residents on Benz and 48 residents on Alammos Drive and Kathleen. Both Alaminos Drive and Kathleen have an additional burden of being a route for the City Buses that run every twenty minutes. Constructing a cul-de-sac is not an option, as it would restrict the flow of emergency vehicles. It would also trap residents in case of an emergency evacuation. Remembers last year's fires? We do not support any changes to existing traffic restnctions ------------------------------ Restrictions are currently working and complete restriction would negatively impact Alaminos whish is already too bus and has bus traffic. When Copperhill was opened it alleviated some of the traffic on Alaminos between Kathleen and Benz. When the turn restrictions were implemented it caused more traffic to use Alaminos. Where do you think all these cars are going to go if you add more restrictions? It is not safe for children to play in our front yards without supervision. Cars speed up and down the street and do not watch out for ht child who will run out in the street to retrieve a ball. You will not put in speed bumps because of the city bus that goes down the street many times a day. If you restrict Benz any further you will be adding MORE cars that do not heed the 25 mph speed limit. ------------------------------ Add right turn (Copperhill to Kathleen) restrictions to nurror existing Copperhill to Benz restrictions. Benz Rd residents are unreasonable and selfish. Page 2 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Additional restrictions on Benz Road will only add more traffic to Alammos Drive. We already are the main access for two schools and public transit buses. Survey traffic volume and speed on Alaminos!!!!! ------------------------------ Confusing questionnaire. The Benz people do not care who is inconvenienced to getwhat they want. Everyone knew Benz would go through one day. Trapping neighbors at Canterwood is wrong. Buckhorn is new and they should keep their access. Stop the divisive behavior, Benz residents are nuts. This is ludicrous that we are considering more changes. 15 years ago — disclosure of these homes whow master plan of Benz opening to Copper Hill. As always we have passed an ordinance that is seldom enforced. Every nite I must pass Benz to Kathleen to go home. I think I see 3-4 cars turn illegally. I have see 3 tickets written since it started. The honor system does not work. One morning I saw a sheriff watch a contractor and a gardener turn.?? Why is that ok? Please have the current system enforced. I feel that wide speed bumps on Benz Road and on Alaminos Drive between Benz and Kathleen would be a good solution. The restrictions on Benz only causes more traffic to divert down Kathleen Avenue and back across Alaminos. The cars do not abide by the 25 mpg at all. ------------------------------ Re: "Please not that, at this time, the two hour peak time restrictions will remain in place..." We were never informed or given a chance to say yes or no. It only caused a lot of us to get a traffic ticket. Thanks a bunch. ------------------------------ There is enough traffic on Alaminos Drive already. We do not want any alternate that would increase traffic on Alaminos Drive, in addition there is a high rate of speeding on our street. We use Benz and Copperhill every week because it is easier for us. I am wondering how much of this traffic is actually people in this neighborhood like myself This is a benefit to the neighborhood!! ------------------------------ We should not have to pay for engineering mistake made by City officials. My tax dollars pay for this street. I should be able to use this street at anytime. You people have done nothing about traffic speeding down Alaminos. Unless you are going to reimburse my tax money, this street should remain open at all times. Something about the excessive speed of drivers on Alaminos Drive. The limit is 25 miles an hour. At times people exceed 50 miles per hour. How can we get speed bumps put in place? The only time I see patrol cars, is when everyone is at work and the traffic is light. PLEASE RESPOND! Stop the speeding on Alarn�inos Drive by moms going to pick up kids. Page 3 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE 39 year resident. I live on Alammos and do not want to drive all the way from Copperhill to Bouquet to Benz to get home Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Do not support. Having lived here for 19 years, the current configuration is good. I only disagree with the right turn hours from Copperhill to Benz, with the right turn lane, there should be no restrictions. The left turn from Bouquet to Benz is a safety factor and should remain due to s/b morning traffic. I We hate the restrictions they are all very inconfinate for all residence in this area. They knew that Benz would go thru when these houses were built. We have too much traffic Alaminos now. We all knew this was going to be open some day. This is causing regular residents to be restncted. We should have full access to the road. Changing it will only cause other problems for other residents. Open back up at all hours!! I live on Alaminos and received a ticket at 7:15 am due to a family emergency. Resident owners on Benz have no right to complain. This is a large community and opening up access greatly reduces travel time. How does this deteriorate quality of life? Ludicrous!! My family's quality of life is hindered. My 5 year old son knows his way home and asks questions when we go the long way Please remove restrictions and fully open up all access. A traffic signal would be a better solution. This change has negatively impacted those of us who live on Alaminos, as drivers have been forced to traverse the length of our street because they cannot use Benz Rd. Traffic is so bad on peak hours we can't get out of our own driveways This is silly. Don't make it any worse than it already is! Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic conditions as is." Do not support. All signs and restrictions should be lifted immediately! NO RESTRICTIONS!! Re: "If you do not support leaving the existing restrictions as is..." NO alternatives — we do not live in a homeowners assoc. and we pay taxes and property taxes for this pqhu road — leave Benz Road alone — NO RESTRICTIONS!! Re: "Benefiting residents might be required to contribute to the costs associated with these improvements." This is insulting to us — you want us to pay for this alternative that we don't even want or need — we already pay taxes including property taxes. SEE ATTACHED PAPER. All these restrictions/alternatives violates our rights as property owners. All these restrictions alternative violates our nghts as human beings. These negativel impacts us and severely deteriorates our quality of life!!! We have the freedom to turn on a public road anytime near our HOME!! To: City Councilmen To: Gus Pivetti Senior Traffic Engineer Dear Sirs: Page 4 of 25 May 13, 2008 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Here is a List of Reasons why All Signs and Restrictions should be lifted immediately; and that there should be NO Alternative that would place traffic restrictions on Benz Road: -We pay all taxes including property taxes like every other Santa Clarita resident in our neighborhood We should not be banned or restricted from driving down our own streets near our home. Benz Road is a PUBLIC road paid for by taxpayers and anybody should have the freedom to drive on them whenever they want at anytime, We should not be forced to travel longer distances to our own home. -It is outrageous and offensive to know that we can get a traffic ticket driving in our own neighborhood, to or from my own House, if we turn at the wrong time. -Close your road near your home that you access frequently or put turn restrictions on your road near your house, and you'll see how you feel about your freedom being taken away near your own home and in your own neighborhood. See if you like being forced to travel longer distances to your own home. -Let's call these turn restrictions what it rally is, it's not about volume of traffic, pollution, or noise, this is just an added bonus revenue (money maker) for the City of Santa Clarita. If there is a real concern then why don't you just shut down Alarnmos Drive; I get a lot of volume of traffic, noise, and pollution going by my house. And if it was all about volume of traffic, pollution, or noise then why don't you close down Shine or other roads that get a lot of traffic -I think NOT. You tell me where in the whole city of Santa Clarita, there are other turn restrictions or re-route closures in a neighborhood on a PUBLIC road. Give me another street other than Benz road where these turn restrictions and cut -through traffic alternatives are in place because I'm sure there are plenty of other roads in Santa Clarita that have cut -through traffic, pollution, and noise; and those roads are Unrestricted. The whole concept of restricting area residents from Public access to their Public road in their own neighborhood, at anytime is ridiculous. -Stop this punishment of giving residents in the neighborhood traffic tickets for turning into their own neighborhood at the wrong time. There are new houses and roads being built on Plum Canyon, this will cause more traffic, noise, and pollution —are you going to stop the housing project, are you going to put restrictions on the roads surrounding Plum Canyon, -1 think NOT. It feels like you are picking on us residents near the Benz Road area and you are causing us severe Emotional Distress. I moved to the Santa Clanta Area because it was a friendly, family, oriented community that supported families. Now I am so distressed seeing Sheriffs stationed on Benz Road and Copper Hill giving very, expensive tickets to area residents who just mistakenly forgot about the turn restriction. Which is not uncommon to forget the time turn restrictions because as you know we sometimes drive on auto pilot; and out of habit and our personal right, turn on our road in' our own neighborhood going to our own house, we naturally forget about those turn restrictions. Plus the whole concept of placing turn restriction in our own neighborhood on a Public road we pay for with out own taxes, is so inconceivable that again we forget about the time restrictions. -If the turn restrictions was really about reducing traffic, noise, and pollution by non-residents cutting through — then have the City of Santa Clarita generate for free, PERMITS for all us area residents allowing us access to our neighborhood Public road at ANYTIME. Also, what about residents on Fan Ct. or Kathleen, because of the time turn restrictions we have to re-route and drive through their neighborhood. So, now you are creating more traffic, noise, pollution in their area on a different street in a nearby neighborhood — What About That. Is Benz Road some sacred road that can only 1,800 vehicles traveling on it a day; what about the other adjacent roads that us area residents have to re-route and drive through because of your turn restrictions, which creates more traffic, noise, and pollution surrounding the outlying area. Having turn restrictions or alternatives does not solve anything; we area residents just drive through another neighborhood street to go to our own home which makes us expend more gas traveling longer distances. A growing city with new or connecting roads will ALWAYS have more traffic, noise, and pollution. It's a FACT of life. If people in the area don't like it, then they can move to the country. Don't penalize that many residents who Oppose the Turn restrictions or alternative. -The few amount of residents who don't like the added traffic on Benz Road, a Public Road; they have the freedom to Move, and not impeded or control the majority of residents who Oppose Any Restrictions on Benz Page 5 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Road. It's a free country and they don't have to live in this neighborhood if they are upset by traffic, noise and pollution. All freeways have traffic, noise and pollution; do these few amount of residents ever drive the freeways. -Benz Road is a Public Road paid by taxpayers, what gives you the right to have power over our lives, (when we can turn or can't turn in our own neighborhood), none of you in the Traffic Division don't even live in our Area. -Benz Road was built as a "cut through" from Bouquet Canyon Road to Copper Hill Drive which is very convenient for us residents. So What if there are more cars cutting through, all Public Roads are made to be accessed by anyone at anytime. We are sick and tired of driving to our home in the morning and seeing if it's between 7-9AM, or driving on Copper Hill wondering if it's between 4:30pm-6:30pm, and then not having the freedom of accessing the nearest, quickest Public Road that is in our neighborhood. Please forward all our letters and Comments to the Santa Clanta City Council, and to the Los Angels County Board of Supervisors, not just the tallied results (as you stated in your letter). The City Councilman need to understand the major wide emotional distress that your traffic restrictions have caused to the area residents. In addition, we ourselves, are requesting that we our able to view all letters/questionnaires turned in to you, at the next city Council meeting. We want to know how many questionnaires were turned in, and how many were mailed out. Remember, a resident who doesn't respond or return the questionnaire, doesn't mean that they approve these Restrictions or alternatives on Benz Road. We cannot make any assumptions. These residents should be called and asked the questions over the phone to get their vote (every vote counts) because I'm 100% positive that a majority of our area residents want NO more turn restrictions and no alternatives in place regarding Benz Road — Leave our PUBLIC Access Road alone -Remove ALL restrictions on Benz Road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, this questionnaire was bias- there should have been a question that asked- Do you agree with removing ALL restrictions off Benz Road? YES or NO Also, if for some unjust reason the turn restrictions still stay in place, there should have been an alternative stated in the questionnaire that would give area residents Pernuts (paid for by the City of Santa Clarita), to drive unrestricted to their own homes anytime of the day. We will continue to take necessary action to overturn and remove All turn restriction signs on Bouquet Canyon Road and Copper Hill; and to block all alternatives that would place additional traffic restrictions on Benz Road. This includes hiring a rights lawyer because these turn restrictions or alternatives negatively impact us and severely deteriorates our quality of life. In addition, it violates our freedom of driving on a Public Road that we paid for by our taxes, to and from our own home. For example, my child who has Autism will be going to Rio Norte Jr. High School and one of your suggested alternatives would be to close and NOT allow left turns at Copper Hill. This is so aggravating to me, that I would have to consider re-routing my quickest, shortest route, on a public road, in my neighborhood to take my special needs child to school every morning. I am being forced against my will to travel longer distances and expend more costly gas, to take my child to school. ABSURDI 1. I sincerely hope you do the right thing for our area residents, and give us back our FREEDOM, PEACE OF MIND, AND EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING to drive on a Public Road (Benz Road) we paid for, so that we can drive to and from our own home, in our own neighborhood without ANY restrictions. Instead of putting so much effort towards the silliness of Benz Road and the FEW residents that live there ... maybe the city should look at Alaminos Drive and the more thousands of cards that speed down it EVERY DAY!! Which effects much more residents!! Closing down Benz will increase Alaminos traffic and continue to decline our home values!!! ------------------------------ Page 6 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE The current turn restrictions are inconvenient and expensive as gas prices continue to rise. The current turn restrictions negatively impact us and deteriorate from our quality of life. Not being able to access our home, or major roads from our home, has decreased the value of our home. The turn restrictions should be taken down. To reduce the traffic on Benz, the current stop signs should be enforced. The residents complaining about the traffic and noise level are a small handful compared to the hundreds of people that have been, and will be impacted by these changes. These residents have owned their homes for many years and want no traffic on their street, like it was 30 years ago. Santa Clarita has grown and with the new homes built, there are more vehicles driving on the road. Saugus in general is no longer a rural community. We strongly support removing the current turn restrictions and enforcing the stop signs in place. A great deal of remediation has already been achieved especially considering the significant increase in traffic throughout Santa Clarita. To further restrict traffic flow to quiet a very vocal few, would be a disservice to most residents. You can't please everyone. Just leave it the way it is. If you change things you're just going to make others mad. Leaving the current 2 hr peak restrictions is the least inconvenient of any other options listed above The signs say no through traffic to Copper Hill from Bouquet Canyon but if you're not going all the way through and you live on Alaminos, I don't think they should get a fine for that. I also don't think they should close the road at Copper Hill we need that in case of an emergency exit. I have lived here 28 years and never had a problem with noise, racing now its noisy 24/7 racing, and garbage on the streets every day. Please do something about it. I spoke to Mr. Pivetti on the phone with my opinions for traffic restrictions at Copper Hill and Benz Road I feel restrictions would be of no to little use as is the stop sign at Canterwood and Benz is now. Implementing Step 2 or constructing a cul-de-sac would be far better than status quo. But the neighborhood likes convenience at the expense of quality of life for Benz Rd residents. Current traffic mitigation strategies are not working More drastic measures must be implemented — particularly in light of increasing development in this area. Thank you. Obviously, the current plan isn't working! The only thing that will is to cut off Benz Road as a "through way". An increase of cars from 500-2100 per day is unacceptable! The turn restrictions are an inconvenience to everyone in the community — especially those that live off Benz Road. The cul-de-sac would permanently remove cut -through traffic and allow residents to access their homes People have ignored the stop sips and there are skid marks all across Benz, which has been a hazard to everyone. Please stop this' Also, why would those residents benefiting from the cul-de-sac have to contribute to the cost of Page 7 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE the cul-de-sac? This seems unfair and unreasonable to ask this of our neighbors. I also appears to deter our neighbors from this option, which should be the responsibility of the city. I would like to see a cul-de-sac made, There is still a lot of traffic and I have to wait to back out and go into my driveway. Other cars and people are not so good at waiting for you to pull out now. Re: "Extend the hours of current peak hour turn restrictions" Strongly Support. To 24 hours, include weekends! ------------------------------ Survey area south of Franwood and west of Kathleen should not be included. Results of survey should be a consideration. Doing the light thing by not allowing cut through traffic. Resident attached a map with notations. This resident has proposed constructing a cul-de-sac barrier at Benz where it connects with Alaminos Drive, or at Benz where it connects with Canterwood Drive Mr Natoh also suggested constructing cul-de-sacs at Contessa Avenue where it connects with Canterwood Drive or Kathleen Avenue where it connects with Alaminos Drive if cut through traffic becomes an issue) The Syrek family strongly feels the traffic on Benz Rd is not improved. The noise and pollution are unbearable. A cul-de-sac would resolve this problem forever. Thank you. We can no longer enter or exit our driveway safely! Benz Road is unsafe. The majority of the people completing this survey will be concerned and only care of their own convenience. The residents of Benz road are concerned with the safety of their children. ------------------------------ Benz Rd. needs to be a culdesac. The traffic flow is increasing and has negatively impacted the quality of the street and living conditions. Please implement this change. Thank you! Benz Road was designed and designated as a residential street and not a "through traffic" or cut through street. ------------------------------ May 12, 2008 To Whom It May Concern, I've been a resident at 20784 Benz Road in Saugus since September of 2007. My home sits on the north/west comer of Benz Rd. In the 8 months that my family and I have resided here we've been witness to frequent incidents that are caused by the "cut through" traffic that subsequently have placed my family and I in jeopardy, On more than one occasion, as we have attempted to exit from our driveway, vehicles turning right on Benz Rd. from Copper Hill have had to come to an abrupt stop nearly missing rear -ending the vehicle my wife and child have been in as well as mine. Time and time again I have been an eyewitness to vehicles making a tight right hand turn onto Benz Road at an accelerated speed ignoring the wide turn restrictions that are in place. Regarding the time restrictions that are in place, with respect to traffic enforcement officials, inconsistent enforcement to the turn restrictions have exasperated concerned residents of my community, With consistent enforcement from traffic deputies the numbers have shown that "cut through" traffic diminished tremendously. Unfortunately this is not the case, When deputies are present I have personally noticed no stop citing of those in Page 8 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE violation. However due to the large amount of traffic that turns into the community at this same time, deputies are unable to ticket everyone, allowing countless others to go unpunished. The solution to the Benz issue is not to extend the hours of the turn restriction. Building a cul-de-sac between Alarninos Drive and Canterwood will only inconvenience other residents residing in nearby Benz Road cross streets as they will be forced to seek alternative routes to reach Bouquet Canyon and discourage them altogether from participating in the implementation of any type of solution to this ongoing problem. In addition, choosing to ignore the concerns that I have will only continue to put my family in danger. Please help bring peace of nund to me and my family by implementing step 2 of the original plan. ------------------------------ It has been causing inconvenience for me already. I do not want too many restnetions to reduce the traffic. When homes were originally sold it was promised that Copper Hill would go through. Everyone knew it, It showed (in error) in the Thomas Guide that Benz and Copper Hill went through. If Benz is closed or cha-nged, put a stop light at Benz and Bouquet. This subdivision has only a few roads to access to our homes. We understand the concerns of the homeowners on Benz Road. However, we were told when the homes were sold, we would have access to Copper Hill. We have waited decades to have an easier access in and out of our community. We feel we should not be penalized for approx. 30 homeowners who are unhappy about traffic on the main throughway, that they were aware of when they purchased their homes. We've supported the current restrictions which affect hundreds of homeowners. We have very few choices to reach our homes. The concern should have been addressed with the builder when they put the sub -division together. Or the homeowners before they bought. When we bought our house here in 1980 we were infon-ned that Copperhill would one day be an open street. I'm sure that the people who bought their house in Benz were also informed. The few people who live there in comparison to all the rest of us who pay taxes to drive on city streets should not dictate our lives. I will deal with the restrictions but I will be ve!y ang if anything else is done. I HAVE RIGHTS ALSO!! 35% reduction is enough! Maybe the sheriffs need to be more visible. ------------------------------ My house is the only one on Buckhom Ln. My feeling is that if cul-de-sac's were constructed at Benz/Copperhill and Canterwood/Cross Creek like these streets were when the homes were built the drive through traffic problems would not exist, for the residents of Benz and the residents of Canter -wood. By restricting turning at the street just west of David Way this would reduce any impact to homeowners on Alaminos and Kathleen. As for any emergency vehicle access this would not change there response to home in these effected areas, as per talking with the Fire dept. located at Seco and Bouquet Cyn Rd. Please feel free to contact me at (661-513-1194) as for a complete restriction of left turns from Buckhorn, this would be a great inconvenience to the rest of the residents on Cross Creek as most of us turn left from Buckhorn for daily routines. I Copper Hill was planned many years ago, with Benz as a thorough fare to it. Go back to the original plan. The turn restrictions affect all in the area, while only assisting the few on Benz. Residents should be allowed to travel to and from their homes at all hours without excessive mileage or worry. Page 9 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE I am willing to defer to those living on Benz who are most impacted. We don't want traffic diverted onto Alammos. Can we get "No Engine Brake" signs posted on Copperhill eastbound between Benz and Kathleen? I'm on a cul-de-sac. I totally sympathize with the resident!! So whatever they want!! The traffic is outrageous!! Construct the cul-de-sacs. That's the best plan! Can you address the truck congestion on Copper Hill. It is a sad day when a "few" residents can dictate the traffic route for all Santa Clarita residents. They knew it when they purchased the property. Now they cry "wolf'. No Restrictions and No Changes. I do not support the existing restrictions as it impacts many more residents than those on Benz and Buckhorn. I definitely don't support extending the hours or building a cul-de-sac or barriers. I believe this will impact the streets closer to the two elementary schools in the area. All that is happening is to divert traffic to other streets! We have school buses so we have traffic from them in addition to school pick-ups by parents. I understand their concern but why not increase sheriff patrols using money with LAPD like the City of LA did. A "few" people should not be dictating where and how I come home. Everyone I've talked with are against any restrictions and we feel we should have the right to get home the most efficient way possible. Re: "Construct a cul-de-sac and/or other barriers on Benz Road between Alamos Drive and Canterwood Drive I strongly support this if this is my only option. ------------------------------ Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Strongly support. I would really like the existing restriction signs removed. The restrictions are extremely inconvenient for the rest of us other than those on Benz. There are many more people on the surrounding streets who are trying to go to their homes' We are important too! See also letterfrom the residents that was attached April 30, 2008 Dear Mr. Pivetti, We were very glad to have our input sought regarding more traffic restrictions proposed for Buckhorn Lane and the two on Benz Road. The restriction on Bouquet Canyon and Benz in the mornings adds 15 minutes to my commute in the morning and causes me to have to go past Rosedell Elementary while they are arriving for school in the morning, and then sit in the traffic for Bouquet Canyon Elementary while they arrive for school. If I could simply go all the way up Bouquet Canyon and turn left on Benz TO RETURN TO MY OWN HOME after dropping my junior high and Page 10 of 25 I Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE senior high daughters off, that would be wonderful, but I can't because of the restriction, so I have to turn left on Urbandale and sit through Rosedell and Bouquet Canyon Elementary traffic! Regarding the restrictions on Buckhorn Lane and Benz in the evenings, I have to go all the way to Kathleen when we are coming home in the early evening. This Igain adds miles, time and gasoline dollars to my commute when I AM TRYING TO GO TO MY OWN HOME. Why are the people on Benz more important than the homeowners on Buckhorn, others on Benz, Dan Court, Ray Court, Canterwood, Ben,Court, Contessa, Franwood, Mist, Alaminos, Jenny Court, Calwood, Shelter Cove, Newbird, Oaklar, Robin Avenue, Sue Drive, Bud Court, Brian Court, and not to mention the homeowners on Kathleen and Alammos who have to have extra traffic that the Benz people don't want? Is the "quality of life" for the people on Benz more important than for all the rest of us? There are many more of us homeowners in the surrounding streets in the neighborhood than just the people on Benz. It is extremely unfair to further inconvenience the rest of us. PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY MORE RESTRICTIONS THAN ARE ALREADY IN PLACE!! Thank you for your consideration and for asking for other input. We appreciate it very much. Please leave as is, There should be no restrictions for those living in the neighborhood. ------------------------------ My primary concern is that Canterwood receives the same restrictions as Benz. We do not want to see cut-thru traffic shifted onto Canterwood. The configuration of Canterwood Drive is such that excessive traffic will cause dangerous conditions. ------------------------------ The right turn restriction on Buckhom should be remand This restricts my ability to get home in the evening and must be very very annoying to residents living directly off (west) of Buckhorn. Since I can't use this access, I am forced to use Bouquet Canyon when returning from grocery shopping. Turning left onto Bouquet Canyon is very dangerous in the everung but your no right turn on Buckhorn eliminates this option. Though I don't like the current restrictions, I can live with them. I will not accept your other plans as they restrict access to my home at all times. This is ridiculous and only enables the Sheriffs department to hand out more expensive tickets. Scrap the entire program. Re: "(Benefiting residents might be required to contribute to the cost associated with these improvements.) NO!! I can't imagine we have to incur costs to improve traffic flow. Come on people, carriers shouldn't cost that much, in fact it shouldn't at all, Several of my friends has received tickets when coming to visit my home. Also two business owners, building contractors, have been cited. I want to remove all restrictions currently in place I do not support any restrictions after this trial period Page I I of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Existing signs O.K. No more restriction — would impede residents. Thx Have more Sheriff present during peak hours. I support continued restrictions on left turns but the best solution would be a cul-de-sac on Benz and Canterwood. If only implemented on Benz all traffic would switch to Canterwood and problem would only move one street over not be solved. Step 2 would increase traffic on Canterwood, different than Benz because of newer houses near Buckhorn Lane. Please do not implemenfl! ------------------------------ There was a barrier at the top of Canterwood then you moved it. Put it back in. I have lived on Canterwood Drive since 1989. It was cul-de-sac when I moved in. That's why I bought the house. It NEEDS to be cul-de-sac again before a kid is hurt or killed. ------------------------------ Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." No opinion. I really don't mind the current restrictions. Re: "Implement Step 2... " Strongly Do not support. Constructing the cul-de-sac seems to be the only solution, but what would the cost be and how will you determine who benefits? Remember Canterwood was always supposed to be a dead-end cul-de-sac, but someone decided to tie it up at Buckhorn. We wouldn't have M problem if the original plans had been followed. The traffic restrictions have cost my family hundreds of dollars and thousands in increased insurance premiums. The fact that residents cannot have a sticker of some sort is cruel and unusual punishment. You can take the increased ticket revenue and install cul-de-sacs on Canterwood and Benz Roads. Re- "Implement Step 2 ... full-time turn restrictions..." Dangerous idea — people will turn right and make a u -tum half a block away. Re- "Construct a cul-de-sac..." Are you senous? Do not consider charging Canter -wood a cent because it will not benefit anyone here. Now you want us to go through Contessa to get to the elementary school? You can't be serious. Just close off Canterwood and Benz — return the neighborhood to the way it was and call it a day. We will support their desire for a cul-de-sac because they continue to push the issue, but we will not contribute to the cost. This is Benz problem and they are impacting our life because of their issues. Our support will revert to the 2 hour restriction if we are effected by the costs. I strongly oppose any permanent restriction which would limit access to and from my home. Not only from the standpoint of expense in time and money, but mostly for safety reasons. I don't want restricted access for emergency vehicles nor restricted exit routes if evacuation was necessary. Page 12 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE , Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Want them removed — I cant turn onto the street I live on! We absolutely will fight if we cant turn left out of Buckhorn. We are county not city — tons of cars go down Alammos for schools — why is Benz so deserving of special treatment — any tract w/schools is subject to traffic!! Re "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Do not support. This is very difficult for us as we have to go 1-1/4 miles out of our way to get home. Re: "Implement step 2..." Do not support. Absolutely not! Re: "Construct a cul-de-sac..." Strongly support. I would like more details on this plan. Make sure you don't restrict traffic on Benz and cause more problems on Buckhorn. The street is already very narrow there. Leave as it is. Would be the best thing to do. I am 91 years old! As much as I understand the issues brought forth by the residents on Benz Rd I was informed of the proposed roads years ago. To decrease my ability to utilize efficient means of exiting from this neighborhood then becomes a quality of life issue for me and my neighbors including increased traffic. Longer commutes which wastes gasoline, and in the event of a fire, decreased exits from the neighborhood. The proposal of diverting additional morning traffic along Alaminos will increase traffic and possible accidents with multiple elementary schools along the way. My family utilized both Benz and Buckhorn daily to go to work/take are kids to school, then return home. We also walk throughout the neighborhood and see all of the kids along Alaminos going to the park. Unfortunately the family values and quality of life will be decreased for a few, but increased for many as there are many benefits of leaving things the way they are. Thank you for reading our comments. Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Do not support There should be no restrictions at any time. I bought my home in 1979. At that time Copper Hill was a planned road with access to Benz. I use Copper Hill every day and the proposed changes would make it very difficult to use, 1) The proposed changes will increase traffic on Alammos and Kathleen. What about the increased traffic for those home owners? 2) The proposed changes will make access impossible for the new home owners (Buckhorn Lane) that only have one access road into their track. Forcing a right hand turn will push their traffic down Canterwood. That will increase traffic on both Canterwood and Bouquet Canyon Road. 3) By design Benz Road is a connector road between Copper Hill and Bouquet Canyon. The home owners on Benz knew this when they bought their property back in 1979 Elimination of that road to through traffic will only divert the traffic down Alaminos and Kathleen. 4) You also need to consider emergency response vehicles access and the effect of emergency evacuation in the event of earthquake, fires and possible flooding if the reservoir should fail. 5) In conclusion, I feel the proposed changes will have an adverse impact on access to Bouquet Canyon Road and Copper Hill traffic. It will shift the increased traffic to Alaminos both to Kathleen and Page 13 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Urbandale. The additional stop signs on Benz are more than adequate to keep through traffic at safe speeds. -------------------- All this does is restrict my access to my own residence. This is nothing but a nuisance activated by busy bodies with nothing better to do with their time. I think things are better. We use Buckhorn to Copper Hill a lot. I do not want that closed off. ------------------------------ I wish we could have no restrictions. Thank you for the consideration. ------------------------------ Maybe also closing off Canterwood at Cross Creek allowing only the residents who live here to have to turn on Buckhorn. If you put cul-de-sacs on Benz (top) Cross Creek/Canterwood that would divert all traffic to Copper Hill & Bouquet. The only way they would be able to get to Copper Hill is via David Way or Haskell, Its pretty simple. That way you only have (2) changes (like originally done) not (3). Basically put it back to the way it was. If you have question please call. Tim Morrison 661-297-0527, 661-433-3086. Make it simple. The residents attached a map with notations. The notations on the map indicate that the residents propose to construct a cul-de-sac at Benz Road where it connects with Copper Hill Drive, and another cul-de-sac or gate at Canterwoodjust east of where it connects with Cross Creek Drive. Step 2 — full closure is not an option and implementing this will result in a neighborhood lawsuit filed by us, again the city and county. I Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Do not support. Absolutely unacceptable without local resident exception. Re: "Extend the hours of the current peak hour restrictions." Do not support. Absolutel unacceptable without local resident exception. Re: "Implement Step 2... " Do not support. Unacceptable under M condition. Re: "Construct a cul-de-sac..." This is the perfect solution for residents of Benz who are directly affected, and continue to be unhappy with the solutions that affect other adversely — we're only involved with the discussions because of the Benz residents. Let the Benz residents have the option, and let them fund this solution — it's the paly way to placate them. Anything less, and they will continue to be unhappy. ------------------------------ While we strongly agree that the last option may be a viable solution, we profoundly disagree that local, residents should pay for bad planning. When we moved here Canterwood was not open to through traffic, Page 14 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." This is already a problem! Re: "Extend the hours of the current peak hour turn restrictions." Lift restriction completely. Re: "Implement Step 2.." Trappi� 26 homes on Cross Creek is not acceptable. Re: "Construct a cul-de-sac..." Let the few complainers on Benz have their island please! The turn restrictions at Buckhom has done little or nothing to the traffic conditions on Benz yet has caused a major problem for the 25+ homeowners on Cross Creek. Life the Buckhorn restriction and you will see! Make Benz a cul-de-sac and leave the rest alone! "Resident attached a map with mark-ups Signs were posted since the 1980's at Benz + Canterwood that told — street would go through in the future. However nobody ever told the homeowners on Cross Creek that access would be cut off to their cul-de-sac from Copper Hill. If Buckhom is blocked — notice unacceptable detour for Cross Creek residents! ------------------------------ As a resident of Cross Creek Drive, I am against the existing restrictions, I am strongly against any restrictions that would further limit my access/ability to come and go from my house. Your letter refers to negative impact and deterioration of the quality of life for Benz residents. What about the negative impact and deterioration to the quality of live to the residents of Cross Creek Drive. We are being forced to endure an extended drive anytime we leave or return to our homes. We are having to pay more frequently at the pumps, with the gas prices continuing to rise, so that the residents of Benz (as city residents) aren't inconvenienced. Why not put the cul-de-sac at the top of Canterwood and Benz, and eliminate 2 problems (cut through traffic and further inconvenience to Cross Creek and county resident) at once. With the housing market where it is, stop adding to factors lowering our home values. 1, along with several neighbors, am ready to pursue legal action if need be, to insure that my quality of life isn't impacted negatively, to allow the residents of Benz to gain their inconvenience free streets and lifestyles. To anyone who read all of this, I apologize for the length of my response and thank you for your time. Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Strongly support. I do not support any turn restrictions into Buckhom Lane. However, I believe that erecting a cul-de-sac which will remove all turn restrictions is the best alternative though I support the above in absence of a cul-de-sac. I live in county and do not support any other restriction on me. They purchased those homes all those years ago knowing that Benz would open up. Why should my property or life be altered? They only other option is putting a cul-de-sac at Canterwood. If any of these measures pass by the city affect me negatively, dQ not send me a bill. You can take me to court. I pay extra fees for city usage as it is. -2 ----------------------------- Implementation of Step 2 can not be an option. The cul-de-sac would solve the problem for the Benz residents and remove all restriction turn signs, which many people oppose. If not possible, existing traffic restrictions are tolerable. 1. The streets of Bouquet Cyn are all busier not just Benz. 2 The benefit these changes provide for Benz is far outweighed by the burdens (convenience, safety, loss of property value) placed on the backs of people who live on other streets around Benz. Page 15 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Has anyone actually looked at the situation? "Cut through" traffic is a myth! It's like driving to Van Nuys via Simi Valley. Re: "Note: only one questionnaire per residence will be accepted..." Has this survey been sent to anyone living north of Copperhill? Particularly those who use these streets to carpool kids to school in the area? These changes are a declaration of war to them. The owners on Benz Road had virtually no traffic for 20 years — one big cul-de-sac. No one wants traffic on their street, but, changes do come, both good and bad. Let traffic flow thru all streets as it did a year ago. No restrictions, no barriers. ------------------------------ Before traffic restriction it only takes I minute to make a right from Copper Hills to N. Buckhorn and then Cross Creek Dr to my house. Now it is so ridiculous to spend 15 minutes detour to get back to my house and also it affect the property value. I strongly support the last option and even better to have a barrier between Buckhorn Lane and Canterwood as it use to be when I bought the house. Since the residents purchased their home on a main street of a subdivision and now have a problem with the increased traffic they should be responsible for paying for the barriers/cul-de-sac. My home is outside your dotted lines and I am the one MOST inconvenienced. I have to go 2 13 miles out of m way to get home. I don't see anyone giving me compension for gas or the wear and tear on my car for all the added mileage. If further restrictions are placed on Buckhorn and Cross Creek Drive I will seek legal action. ------------------------------ Wouldn't a steel gate (bar) that traversed the section mentioned above be a cheaper alternative? If constructed, emergency vehicles could either have a copy of the key that locked the gate/bar or it could be constructed such that the bar could be lifted out of place to allow access. Make the tum allowed to residents only with a permit only, that we would receive from the city!! I would like to a full time NO TURN except to residents with a pgrr�rufl! ------------------------------ If peak -hour turn restrictions are continued or extended, local residents should be exempt, as other cities allow for this type of enforcement. ------------------------------ I would like to see an amendment to the existing restrictions that would exempt residents from the turn restrictions. It is extremely inconvenient for the residents on Dan Court to not be allowed to use the turn from Copperhill in the afternoon. We have 4 children that are active with after school activities. Also I recommend painting stripes on Benz from Copperhill warning drivers of the stop sign at Dan as well as a posted warning sign as to the upcoming stop sign. 11 Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic conditions as is." Stongly support, And re: "Extend the hours of the current peak hour turn restrictions." Strongly support. Post a fine amount sign and increase it by 2 or 3 times and post a cop there 2 to 3 times a week. After everyone pays the inflated fine they will get the point. Post a cop at the stop signs at Dan Court and Benz on weekends this will pay for itself in I day. Weekend cars don't even life off the gas at the stops. Page 16 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Closing the street just puts traffic (the same) in other neighborhoods. Not good. Opening the street was city improvement and that's life Now we just need to train the folks. I strongly disagree with placing any further restrictions! I'd like to know how many residents are complaining. I know one in particular who has nothing better to do! Tell him to put in double -paned windows and he won't hear a thing! Gas is too expensive to be driving around the block to get home. I also go to Walgreens at least 2 times a week, I wouldn't be too happy to drive all the way around to get there. Benz Rd needs to be closed off'! Implement Step 2!! Even with the "cut through" rate reduced to 35%, it is still too many vehicles. Santa Clarita has set itself up for a multimillion dollar lawsuit, if somebody is hurt or killed on this street A lawyer will convince a judge that plans were drawn up to close Benz Rd but not implemented. *Stop cut through traffic* I currently use Benz to get to Copperhill regularly but I can totally understand why the don't like it being open. This issue should've been anticipated when Benz was opened and therefore I don't think residents should have to pay to revert back because of poor planning. None of these options are that great. ------------------------------ I would suggest that the Sheriff be stationed at the comer regularly to ticket those that use Fan Court to turn around or to be able to turn right on Benz during the restricted hours. ------------------------------ I think all restrictions on the road should be lifted and are rediculas open up the roads and tell people to stop winning and crying about traffic! When these homes were built, what is now Copperhill was a non used area. The residents were promised in 1980 that Copperhill would be a street eventually. Due to all of the building since then, Bouquet Cyn Rd is always congested. We were finally given Copperhill to alleviate some of the congestion, By restricting or eliminating access from'Benz everyone will be forced to either access the are through Kathleen and then up Alaminos which affects more home than on Benz. Otherwise Bouquet will become a parking lot. The Plum Cyn residents along with all of the Bouquet to Shadow Valley residents would have no exit during an emergency. My parents were original owner on Bud Ct. I purchased my home a few years later (1984). Please leave Benz open and unrestricted!! I understand the Benz residents concers, but this is supposedly progress in the SCV. I believe it is very few people complaining compared to the number of residents in this area. Opening Franwood does not make sense. Benz is the only street accessible from Bouquet & Copperhill. It'll drive more traffic to our street, and deteriorate our life quality and safety. Definitely oppose! Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is " Strongly Support. We feel this is the only fair option for the neighborhood residents unless you can make us exempt from traffic violations when we come and go froLn our homes P.S. Thank you for considering our opinion in this problem, T.K. ------------------------------ Page 17 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE It is unfair to restrict access for the hundreds of residents in this tract to appease the handful of residents fronting Benz. I'll support any solution that removes the turn restrictions. The current restrictions are inconvenient but are better than alternatives. Step 2 would be more inconvenient to residents. Many residents do not follow current time restrictions. ------------------------------ There should be no diversion of traffic!! It would be better to limit it with extended hours of turn restrictions or full-time turn restrictions. ------------------------------ Current restrictions limit all residents, require circuitous routes, create more traffic on other neighborhood streets, and favor only those living on Benz. Why should those residents pass their problem on to other residents on alternate routes? My only problem is turning onto Alaminos between 7:30am and 8:00 am because of school traffic and that's only on Tuesdays for me. Traffic restrictions as is lunders homeowners from getting to their residences making further travel for them. Current restrictions work fine for me however if Benz and other neighborhood roads are still too busy, I would support full-time turn restrictions onto Benz and Buckhorn. Make this change and you move all the local traffic to Kathleen, then they can complain. As stated previously, we are opposed to all restrictions. If I need to take my kids to school, I have to drive 1.5 miles out of my way as is. I go in and out of the area for "business" as well. This would add 1-2 miles an average of 2 times daily to my drive. This is completely political and we do not support this waste of our funds in this manner. You have not taken into account that before Benz was opened, all traffic came down Alammos and Benz from Bouquet Canyon for the School, why do these residents not get "Special Privileges" and why do they have to live with traffic flow heavier than Benz already. What about "Kathleen", do they get a cul-de-sac as well? This project is an absolute waste of tax payer money from the start of this mess based on only a couple of residents that know the people at the city. When Bouquet Canyon is finished as planned, Benz will not even hit Bouquet Canyon. This needs to stop now! We continually have to remember what times we are not allowed to turn at? This causes several dangerous maneuvers when you pull into the turn lane, as you look at the clock and then have to pull back out into onto the road. The residents have a right to access the roads as intended, and again, homeowners were well aware of this change many, many years before it happened and to play dumb now is ludicrous. And to put traffic in front of other person's homes is extremely bias, self-centered and arrogant. Page 18 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE By the way, 1,800 — 2,100 cars per day is a drop of 45.5 — 36.4%, not 33% as stated in your document. Please just spend the money on finishing the roads as intended including Bouquet Canyon for Heaven's Sake!!! The residents of Alaminos, Jenny Court, etc. should be able to go to their homes off Bouquet or Copper Hill. We do not pass thru on Benz (I go 2 blks and turn to go home on Jenny Ct.) Issue resident stickers to allow us to pass! Simple! When I purchased my house in 1986 1 was informed that there would eventually be a road behind my house (Copper Hill) and that Benz would open to that street If I knew about it 22 years ago I can only assume the homeowners on Benz were informed when they purchased their homes. I think we should leave it as it stands now. Kathleen Ave is already extremely busy if any change is done to Benz Rd the same should be done to Kathleen Ave. (Block Kathleen @ Copper Hill) I empathize with the home owners having to deal with the heavier cut -through traffic on Benz and Canterwood. However, the remedies so far implemented have only diverted the traffic restricted from Benz and Canterwood to use Kathleen Avenue between Copper Hill and Alarninos, As a homeowner on Kathleen Avenue, once a quiet residential street, has now become "THE CUT THROUGH" of choice. Kathleen Avenue traffic has become extremely heavy. I did notice that the city used a traffic counter on Kathleen Avenue at Copper Hill for gathering statistical data. However I feel that that data is flawed because it was gathered for 3 days during the school Spring Break week last year. The results had to have given false traffic count on Kathleen between Copper Hill and Alammos. A significant portion of the traffic that is not allowed on Benz or Canter -wood now use Kathleen Avenue to gain access to their homes, or to the Bouquet Canyon Route. A sign on Copper Hill stating to use David Way to Bouquet is ignored by a large number of travelers who use Kathleen Avenue as a cut -through. The ten homes on Kathleen Avenue between Copper Hill and Alaminos have been forced to take up the slack of the cut -through traffic flow restrictions that is now restricted on Benz and Canterwood. THIS IS GROSSLY UNFAIR TO US TEN HOMEOWNERS. In addition, if cul-de-sac closures are implemented on Benz or Canterwood, that this would increase the "cut -through" traffic flow by the residents leaving this "Benz" area and desiring to go west into town or to school, as the right hand turn limitation leaves them no other option but to double back. Kathleen Avenue will become the preferred route and used as the shortest cut -through route. Also, a significant portion of the residents who live north of Copper Hill and use Kathleen Avenue as their preferred route of travel, use this short stretch of Kathleen Avenue as a "cut -through" to exit or enter their housing development north of Copper Hill. I respectfully request (I actually BEG) that a traffic engineer reviews and studies the tract layout. It will definitely be seen that Kathleen Ave has been left out of this plan to restrict cut -through traffic, and this plan has therefore materially contributed to the substantial increase flow onto Kathleen Avenue. I have returned the map sent with this questionnaire (Marked as "EXHIBIT A") with the street circled which has been used as the alternate route due to the traffic flow restriction, plus the normal traffic which uses Kathleen north of Copper Hill for access to the large tract of homes north of Copper Hill Drive. I would suggest an implementation a cul-de-sac on Kathleen Avenue at Alaminos Drive to prevent the unbearable current volume of cut -through traffic. The current volume of traffic, noise, pollution, and safety issues, is negatively impacting our lives and has resulted in a deteriorating quality of life on our residential street of Page 19 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Kathleen Avenue. Any further traffic control curtailments placed in effect (i.e Benz Road/Copper Hill Step 2 Improvement) will further increase the traffic flow on Kathleen Avenue. PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE US TEN HOMEOWNERS OUT OF THIS PLAN. ------------------------------ These alternatives will increase traffic at Coppei Hill and Kathleen — an already busy and dangerous intersection and will increase traffic on Kathleen Avenue. The resident attached a marked -up map. The notation on the attached map states: "Please don't leave us out! and indicates the portion of Kathleen Avenue that connects with Alaminos Drive The residents also attached the following letter - April 28, 2008 To Whom It May Concern, We are writing in response to the City's recent Questionnaire (dated April 23, 2008) regarding "Cut Through" traffic on Benz Road. We purchased our home on Kathleen Avenue, south of Copper Hill Drive, in 2001. While in escrow, we were aware that Copper Hill Drive would "someday" go through, and followed up with research on expected traffic counts. We decided to buy our home based on that information. What we hadn't counted on, however, were the traffic restrictions permitted on our neighboring streets, Benz and Buckhorn, and the impact this would have on our street. Now, traffic restricted from Benz and Buckhorn use Kathleen between Copper Hill and Alaminos as a cut through. Traffic in front of our home has become extremely heavy. We are frightened to think what will happen to this portion of Kathleen if further traffic restrictions are implemented for Benz and Buckhorn. FU)rthermore, the intersection at Copper Hill Drive and Kathleen Avenue is already very busy and dangerous. Many cars fail to fully stop at the four-way stop, some not even bothering to slow down. We have witnessed several accidents there. We often have a traffic cop parked in front of our home to enforce the stop. We have been told by one officer that he believes this to be the most dangerous intersection in the city. We feel that it is irresponsible of the city to direct more traffic up to this intersection. Many of the cars that will be diverted up to this intersection due to turn restrictions, will probably be using our driveway to turn around and head back up Copper Hill Drive in the direction that they had wished to go, causing an even more dangerous situation. It is also our understanding the city performed a traffic count on our street, but that this was done during the week that our local schools had spring break. If this is the case, the information gathered will be grossly inaccurate, as it would not be taking into account the multiple trips to and from the local schools, and the families out of town or taking time off of work. While we empathize with the residents on Benz and Buckhorn, we resent all of the traffic being passed on to our street. We all knew that Copper Hill Drive would someday open and that this would alter our neighborhoods. We find it unfair that our portion of Kathleen Avenue would be left out of plans to restrict cut -through traffic. A solution must be found that will also consider the safety and quality of life of the families here on Kathleen Avenue. ------------------------------ If this cul-de-sac /bamers plans comes, then please consider doing the same on Kathleen Ave as well. We — my neighbors — do not want everyone's traffic going'down our street. As options decrease we have small kids on our street. Please read and consider my neighbor's letters as well! In the AM if cars can't turn left from Benz to Copperhill, they will have to take Kathleen to get to Copperhill and similarly, virtually very car you deter from taking Benz at night will be forced to continue to Kathleen and turn Page 20 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE right (so as to circle around to Alaminos/Benz). You won't be reducing the number of cars — merely diverting them from Benz to Kathleen. That is just robbing Peter to pay Paul! P.S. Just because more people live on Benz than Kathleen does not men the burden should be shifted to us. Q: When will get a real sidewalk and clean up the area from Plum Cyn to Benz (going N. on the L. side of the St.)? I have lived at tlus address for 40 years. Everyone at the top of Benz knew before buying this road was to go through. It is not far for us who have waited for this road to be restricted because of a few homes. This called progress. We now have a school at the end of our block, parents speed by to dop children off and pick them up. We don't even have stop signs, like they have on Benz. Get used to it! With gas prices the way they are I have to go at least a mile out of my way to go home. These people knew this road was going in before they bought. I've lived in my home on Newbird for 31 years it's unfair to us!!! Due to today's economics — gas, etc. — I recommend it remain as is! As a 35 yr resident in this area, I strongly support keeping Benz Drive open. These people do not have half the traffic that Alaminos has and you don't hear them complaining. I have not seen any of the things that they are complaining about. This is the thing, this city has grown so much in the last 9 yrs I have lived here that we need to make more accesses for cars and traffic. We are stuck in this old neighborhood with only one in and same out and it was nice when I was able to get this new access. We need more ways to go around in this city. Maybe street bumps going up Benz would deter speeders and traffic. Even extending it a little more would be okay. Re: "Do you currently live at the above address?" Does this matter! Vvrhy! If I live here why can I not make a left or right turn onto Benz to get to my home!! PIS explain this so that I understand the issue. With Bouquet Canyon such a mess it is an alternative route to get into this American Beauty track We were the first residents here. ------------------------------ Having an alternate way into and out of the tract is an added safety feature. I would think Benz gets not much more traffic than Alaminos. The restrictions should remain to stop cut thru traffic and school drop off traffic. ------------------------------ Should extend the hours on the no turn signs. Allowing only property owners to turn without problems. I am strongly! against closing off Benz in any way. It could be an emergency risk! Re: "I wish to leave existing restrictions as is." Do not support. No restriction at all for homeowners! Page 21 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE I think it is ridiculous that these signs have been put up' With gas prices the way they are I feel that it is unfair to me as a homeowner to have to drive out of my way to get to my house during these hours. The people who bought homes on Benz shouldn't have bought the homes if they were concerned about the traffic. They knew that one day the roads would connect. Why should the rest of us suffer because of the few who are annoyed? It is stupid! And if the access were back to the way it used to be traffic wouldn't be so congested for the rest of us who have to get to our homes. There are 774 homes in the American Beauty Bouquet tract (roughly) why do 744 homeowners need to suffer because of the 30 Benz Rd owners? Cul-de-sacing the street off is ridiculous!!! That would be like saying "Oh Balboa Blvd has too much traffic let's cul-de-sac it off." With our economy the way it is and gas prices hitting almost $4 a gallon, it is stupid for me to have to turn off of Plum Canyon and go to Urbandale or all the way to David Way to turn into the tract. I'm not rich like all you fools in office. I have to watch every penny every day!! And my last point ... the traffic is not that bad! I'm a homeowner in the tract ..I drive through during rush hour ... your counter machines are off and the people who live on Benz are highly exaggerating! The only problem with traffic on Benz is people blowing the stop signs. Place a cop at the stop signs, make some $$$ for the city, and shut up! Quit costing me more gas $$$! ------------------------------ The two hour peak turn restrictions in the morning, and in the afternoon, adequately and very fairly addresses traffic volume on Benz Road. No change needed!! Benz should be a residential street — it is not a major road, and should not be a thoroughfare for major traffic to get from Bouquet to Copperhill. Thanks. ------------------------------ You created the monster in the layout along with the LA County. David Way access to Bouquet should have never been designed the way the engineers (and I use that term loosely) made it. Look out for your next bobo of the extension of Franwood and Urbandale for the future of too many homes. It's Daly a few block's. Help those of us around the problem. Make in helpful to all of us. Leave the don't use as posted. ------------------------------ I think traffic using Benz and Buckhom should be limited to "neighborhood" traffic ..place an officer on Beriz[Bouquet as you already do, and ticket everyone who does not live in the neighborhood off of Alaminos etc. The city would make a shit load of money and traffic would be reduced to the previous amount before Benz opened onto Copper Hill. I myself have heavy traffic including several school buses that came after I moved in! — Don't like it — but not willing to move — ------------------------------ Benz residents should realize that buying a house doesn't preclude further development making your street a busier access way. It is a small area of residents benefiting from all the restrictions affecting a wider group of residents. Page 22 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE I believe some traffic along Benz is necessary because of the location of several schools. Further restricting of traffic would cause more problems than it would solve. ------------------------------ Our city is growing. My parents moved to this valley 47 years ago, the growth has been managed well. Have I always enjoyed the growth? No, not always. Closing Benz puts pressure on other arteries, Restrictions are in place. Additional stop signs control speed. Leave Benz as is and restrict further growth at the top of Bouquet area. Morning Restriction on cut off from Copperhill down to Benz to Bouquet This will reduce Benz Rd traffic. Add restrictions on Copperhill in am. DO NOT CLOSE BENZ. We need access to Copperhill for potential fire emergency as demonstrated last year. Re: "I wish to leave existing traffic restrictions as is." Strongly Support. Preference: Eliminate existing traffic restrictions. I/we have waited 20 years for the road to be put in. I/we live on Ray, Uwe use the route to come to and from work. Leave it alone. The residents also attached the.following letter dated May 1, 2008. Dear Mr. Pivetti, My name is Patrick Coglon, and my wife Siouz Coglan live at 28506 Ray Ct. My neighbor Sol Leny inforined me about a questionnaire being circulated around our neighborhood. I did not get a questionnaire, and my wife and I would like to be put on the list concerning the Benz Rd traffic restrictions. In the past my family and I attended meetings at City Hall concerning this matter. I wish to leave existing traffic conditions as is, I strongly support the compromise that was reached and has been in place and enforced. Time is money and gas is getting expensive! All members of my family work and pay taxes, we do not want further restrictions in our efforts to get to and return from our jobs. One suggestions would be to place restrictions on the cut off from Copper hill down to Benz to Bouquet Cyn in the AM. I'm strongly against any further restrictions on Benz Road. We are making it more of an inconvenience for ourselves. Please get nd of the left turn restrictions. They are punitive to the people who live in the area. Put up the barricades for the through traffic. That solves all the problems. I would also like to see a cul-de-sac at the comer of Sue Drive and Bouquet Canyon to avoid the speeding cars that turn in rapidly. This will help protect our children. If they do this to Benz the Kathleen will be the same way. This will then effect me more. Page 23 of 25 f Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE Re: "Benefiting residents might be required to contribute to the costs associated with these improvements." Who are "benefits" from this? What's the cost? Residents shouldn't have to pay for this. The City allowed this to happen! You already took away my soft water, now I have to pay for this too!!? Regardless of the final solution, Copper Hill has been a huge problem for everyone!! Friday and Saturday nights are teenager drag/racing nights, or they throw beer cans over my wall, and semi - trucks use it for long-term parking Copper Hill sucks!!! Stronger enforcement between Kathleen Street and David Way of excessive speeders on Copper Hill. Benz to Copper Hill relief lots of traffic from Bouquet which is already conjested without closing Benz. This opening has greatly decreased commute time and increased safety coming to my residence. May 12, 2008 Dear Mr. Pivetti, This letter is in response to the survey sent to us regarding the traffic issues on Benz. We are residents of Shelter Cove and often use Copperhill and Alaminos to reach our home or conversely, to travel to town centers. The proposals in the survey all refer to the intersection of Benz and Copperhill so we are interpreting that the residents' concerns are with vehicles traveling from Copperhill to Bouquet Canyon. We believe that many of the vehicles that travel in this direction are simply accessing a route to their homes within this neighborhood. It doesn't make any sense to use Benz as a route to Bouquet Canyon for two reasons. First, if the driver intends to make a right hand turn onto Bouquet they would be essentially traveling back the way they came. Second, trying to make a left hand turn onto Bouquet from,Benz is nearly impossible without a traffic light, David Way is obviously a better route. There are already stop signs to slow the traffic and turning restrictions during peak traffic hours in the afternoon. Many people live in the neighborhood that surrounds Benz. We don't think it is fair to penalize everyone in those streets by shifting traffic to a more circuitous route. The proposed barrier between Canterwood and Alaminos would pose even more of a difficulty for the families living on Canterwood and Dan Court. Many of those families use Benz and Alaminos to transport their children to and from Bouquet Canyon School on Wellston. It is our opinion that the city and the residents on Benz should have expected the residents to use this more straightforward route home once it was opened. What will happen down the line when people on Kathleen begin to complain about the increased traffic on their street? Do we close that entrance as well and make the only available entry into the neighborhood from Bouquet Canyon? The fact is that all of the residents of the affected neighborhood have every right to use the shortest possible route to their homes. It is not fair to penalize all of us because residents on Benz are complaining about extra traffic when we understand that hey were aware of the plan to open Benz long before it happened. Opening Benz between Copperhill and Bouquet Canyon is part of the natural growth process of Santa Clarita Valley. We feel that any farther changes to the current restrictions and/or any additional restrictions to access our neighborhood is a bad idea that will only make many people angry. We hope that you take into consideration the feelings and needs of the rest of us. Page 24 of 25 Comments from the ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR "CUT -THROUGH" TRAFFIC ON BENZ ROAD QUESTIONNAIRE I have lived at this address since 1968, when there was only one way in and out of this tract. Please don't turn back the clock and make it more difficult to get out of here. I've been through fires and floods in the past, and earthquakes. Unless there are exceptions to residents that live in the area, I don't support M of these changes nor do I support the restrictions on Benz Road. To change everything based on pDly Benz residents is discrimmatory to all other residents that have had to suffer gas, tickets, and stress in getting to our homes. Using more gas to get to my home or increasing traffic on Urbandale around a school does not support everyone in the neighborhood and I believe it is discriminatory! We already strongly opposed to the 2 -hour peak turn restrictions. We can't turn left from Bouquet Canyon Rd to Alaminos from 7 to 9am and THERE IS NOT ONE HOUSE ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAM Gas is already too expensive to make everyone drive farther because 20 or 30 houses don't like traffic! ------------------------------ Existing traffic restrictions are too restricted as is! No one like traffic but it is apart of living in Santa Clarita. We have already gave overboard with stops on every comer and limited turning! I need to go that way to work. I work on Copperhill! Take out the turning restrictions! Prefer to keep as is but if not, the barrier plan would be most likely to satisfy the homeowners on Benz. But then, they need to let this issue rest Homeowners along Benz knew the street would be extended in the future, I just see it non convenient at all for the 2 hr restriction at Benz. I have to go further down and make a u turn (so it's the same thing) and more dangerous for other traffic. ------------------------------ We are not benefiting residents. We can't turn left onto Sue Drive in the morning. Left turns (going north on Bouquet Canyon) on Sue Drive should not be made permanent. Otherwise, we have no opinion. ------------------------------ Re: "Construct a cul-de-sac..." Don't you charge me money for this stupid idea!! I Why even have these streets with all of these restrictions. I put up with Bouquet Cyn Rd noise just 3 houses from the street just below Benz. I hear speeding trucks, motorcycles all the time Where is speed enforcement? I do not hear noise from Benz or even Sue/Robin which is a "cut through" to get to noisy street Bouquet which is much worse, Page 25 of 25